Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Automatic time synchronization of local hw clock.

2014-04-20 Thread David Taylor
On 20/04/2014 21:31, William Unruh wrote: [] Users never see the output of the RTC. If you are altering parameters in the Bios, you are not a "user". You are a geek, a weirdo, a guru, but not a user. Users may see the BIOS output every time they start a PC, and I disagree that only time-sophis

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.log interpretation

2014-04-20 Thread David Taylor
On 21/04/2014 02:29, William Unruh wrote: [] You might consider replacing those with a couple of small linux or bsd systems just there for serving the time. Windows is not the greatest time platform, and a cheap (RPi with Sure gps) time server which is not Windows and is not busy with other stuff

Re: [ntp:questions] Header-tiquette (was: NTP.log interpretation)

2014-04-20 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2014-04-20, Jochen Bern wrote: > You might want to note from the very first line in my replies that I'm > subscribed to the mailing list in digest mode, and chances are that a > quick inspection of the headers on your end would have shown you not > only In-Reply-To: and References: headers, bu

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.log interpretation

2014-04-20 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-21, GregL wrote: > > > I really do appreciate all the responses to my questions. I would like to > give this the proper respect it deserves and evaluate some best practices > with respect to time synchronization across our enterprise systems. I > would rather make configuration change

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.log interpretation

2014-04-20 Thread GregL
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Jason Rabel wrote: > Greg, > > As others have suggested, any client running NTP should point to *at > least* 3 time sources (usually ~5 is preferred)... The reason > being if one server goes wacko, but the other two agree, then the client > knows to X out the bad o

Re: [ntp:questions] Header-tiquette

2014-04-20 Thread David Woolley
On 20/04/14 21:35, Jochen Bern wrote: Anyway, if failure to produce "normal" threading headers is as verboten as you claim, then it's not my user agent that is broken but the fact that the mailinglist server offers digest-mode subscriptions in the first place. (And, by the way, prefixes them wi

Re: [ntp:questions] Header-tiquette

2014-04-20 Thread Jochen Bern
On 20.04.2014 22:35, Jochen Bern wrote: > I haven't searched for an *add-on* to shoehorn into my > Thunderbird that might further grok digest mails, though. (FWIW, I found Undigestify 0.8 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/undigestify/ which would probably allow for correct

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Automatic time synchronization of local hw clock.

2014-04-20 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-20, David Taylor wrote: > On 20/04/2014 18:44, William Unruh wrote: > [] >> Users never see the output of the RTC. > > So you've never needed to alter a parameter in the BIOS - lucky you! Users never see the output of the RTC. If you are altering parameters in the Bios, you are not a "

Re: [ntp:questions] Header-tiquette (was: NTP.log interpretation)

2014-04-20 Thread Jochen Bern
On 19.04.2014 14:00, questions-requ...@lists.ntp.org digested: > From: David Woolley > > On 18/04/14 21:15, Jochen Bern wrote: > > [Unthreaded reply.] > > Are you aware that you mail/news client is broken and is not threading > your replies properly. If you are using the mail list, you need a

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Automatic time synchronization of local hw clock.

2014-04-20 Thread David Taylor
On 20/04/2014 18:44, William Unruh wrote: [] Users never see the output of the RTC. So you've never needed to alter a parameter in the BIOS - lucky you! -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Automatic time synchronization of local hw clock.

2014-04-20 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-20, David Taylor wrote: > On 19/04/2014 18:27, William Unruh wrote: > [] >> Why in the world would that be helpful? Wall clock time changes when you >> move or travel. Wall clock changes twice a year at DST transitions. It >> is a silly thing to have anything on the computer running in.

Re: [ntp:questions] Automatic time synchronization of local hw clock.

2014-04-20 Thread Jochen Bern
On 20.04.2014 14:00, questions-requ...@lists.ntp.org digested: > From: David Taylor > > It would be helpful if the operating systems were to agree on how to use > the BIOS clock. Well, if I understand the statements about Win correctly, they *do* now, at least in their current versions. > Not e

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Automatic time synchronization of local hw clock.

2014-04-20 Thread Casper H . S . Dik
David Taylor writes: >It would be helpful if the operating systems were to agree on how to use >the BIOS clock. Not every computer travels during the year, and not >every location has summer-time transitions. Right; dual boot (or more) is a problem and with multiple "boot environments" for th

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server with two default routes misbehaving after upgrade

2014-04-20 Thread Rob
Caecilius wrote: > I guess that something has been added between 4.2.4p4 and 4.2.6p2 > that's making ntp take notice of the two different routes. But I don't > understand why it should care: that's the network layer's problem, and > there will often be multiple routes between the source and destin