Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread David Lord
Brian Utterback wrote: On 12/2/2014 4:00 AM, Rob wrote: The whole have 3 servers to select a majority thing is absolutely not required when your servers are accurately synchronized themselves and your requirements are only within-a-second. It is true that when you have two servers the clients

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread Rob
David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: Brian Utterback wrote: On 12/2/2014 4:00 AM, Rob wrote: The whole have 3 servers to select a majority thing is absolutely not required when your servers are accurately synchronized themselves and your requirements are only within-a-second. It is true that

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread brian utterback
On 12/3/2014 5:33 PM, William Unruh wrote: On 2014-12-03, Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: On 12/03/2014 02:58 PM, Brian Utterback wrote: I still think that it takes four to guarantee a majority but I don't have proof of that. Someday I will spend some time to either prove or

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-12-04, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: Brian Utterback wrote: On 12/2/2014 4:00 AM, Rob wrote: The whole have 3 servers to select a majority thing is absolutely not required when your servers are accurately synchronized themselves and your requirements are only within-a-second.

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-12-04, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: Brian Utterback wrote: On 12/2/2014 4:00 AM, Rob wrote: The whole have 3 servers to select a majority thing is absolutely not required when your servers are accurately synchronized themselves and your

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 10:46:17AM -0500, brian utterback wrote: I remain unconvinced. I believe that it takes three correct servers to outvote a single falseticker, meaning that if you want to be safe against one of your servers becoming a falseticker and still being accepted as the system

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-12-04, brian utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote: On 12/3/2014 5:33 PM, William Unruh wrote: On 2014-12-03, Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: On 12/03/2014 02:58 PM, Brian Utterback wrote: I still think that it takes four to guarantee a majority but I don't have

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread David Taylor
On 04/12/2014 11:53, Rob wrote: [] In practice this problem does not occur when you use only your own servers that you monitor and trust, and it confuses people that want to setup NTP on their company network. They get sent away with you need to configure and maintain 4 servers or better even

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread Rob
David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 04/12/2014 11:53, Rob wrote: [] In practice this problem does not occur when you use only your own servers that you monitor and trust, and it confuses people that want to setup NTP on their company network. They get sent away with

[ntp:questions] Red Hat vote for chrony

2014-12-04 Thread David Woolley
I've been reading the migration guidance document for RHEL 7 and it seems that Chrony has replaced ntpd as their default NTP based time synchonisation package.

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread Brian Utterback
On 12/4/2014 12:13 PM, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 10:46:17AM -0500, brian utterback wrote: I remain unconvinced. I believe that it takes three correct servers to outvote a single falseticker, meaning that if you want to be safe against one of your servers becoming a

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-12-04, Brian Utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote: On 12/4/2014 12:36 PM, William Unruh wrote: On 2014-12-04, brian utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote: On 12/3/2014 5:33 PM, William Unruh wrote: On 2014-12-03, Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: On 12/03/2014

Re: [ntp:questions] Red Hat vote for chrony

2014-12-04 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-12-04, David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: I've been reading the migration guidance document for RHEL 7 and it seems that Chrony has replaced ntpd as their default NTP based time synchonisation package.

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-04 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2014-12-04 08:58, William Unruh wrote: On 2014-12-04, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: The ntp html docs on selection state that four are needed to guarantee a majority and give an example of this case. Under what circumstances? Nothing can guarentee a majority. 11 cannot

Re: [ntp:questions] Red Hat vote for chrony

2014-12-04 Thread Charles Swiger
On Dec 4, 2014, at 7:00 PM, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: [ ... ] Actually Miroslav Lichvar IS an expert. He is the chrony maintainer, has done a lot of testing comparing chrony to ntpd ( which showed that chrony controlled the clock a factor of 2 to 20 times better than ntpd did), and