[ntp:questions] Can I stop authenticated peers from mobilizing symmetric associations

2017-01-23 Thread Moser, Stefan
Hello everyone, for unauthenticated peers, there is the restrict nopeer directive that stops unknown peers to initialize dynamic symmetric associations with an NTP server. However, from my own tests in my lab (and from NTP documentation), it seems that nopeer does not pertain to authenticated p

Re: [ntp:questions] Can I stop authenticated peers from mobilizing symmetric associations

2017-01-23 Thread Charles Elliott
ber anyone ever asking about the peer option before. Charles Elliott -Original Message- From: questions [mailto:questions-bounces+elliott.ch=comcast@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of Moser, Stefan Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 3:53 AM To: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: [ntp:questions] Ca

Re: [ntp:questions] Can I stop authenticated peers from mobilizing symmetric associations

2017-01-23 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2017-01-23 10:17, Charles Elliott wrote: >> On Monday, January 23, 2017 3:53 AM, Moser, Stefan wrote: >> for unauthenticated peers, there is the restrict nopeer directive >> that stops unknown peers to initialize dynamic symmetric >> associations with an NTP server. However, from my own tests in

Re: [ntp:questions] Can I stop authenticated peers from mobilizing symmetric associations

2017-03-09 Thread Moser, Stefan
Hello, thanks for your replies! I think I have to explain the problem in more detail, perhaps with an example: Let's say that I have a local NTP server, and lots of remote NTP clients (running ntpd). All clients know my authentication key(s), so they can successfully authenticate with my local

Re: [ntp:questions] Can I stop authenticated peers from mobilizing symmetric associations

2017-03-09 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 03:16:57PM +, Moser, Stefan wrote: > Now assume that one of the remote NTP clients turns bad, deliberately > configures forged > time, and enters "peer " in its ntp.conf. This > (correct me > if I'm wrong) creates a dynamic mobilization with my local NTP server, and m

Re: [ntp:questions] Can I stop authenticated peers from mobilizing symmetric associations

2017-03-09 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 10:56:22AM -0500, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 03:16:57PM +, Moser, Stefan wrote: > > Now assume that one of the remote NTP clients turns bad, deliberately > > configures forged > > time, and enters "peer " in its ntp.conf. This > > (correct me > >

Re: [ntp:questions] Can I stop authenticated peers from mobilizing symmetric associations

2017-03-09 Thread Mike Cook
> > > Now assume that one of the remote NTP clients turns bad, deliberately > configures forged time, and enters "peer " in its > ntp.conf. This (correct me if I'm wrong) creates a dynamic mobilization with > my local NTP server, and my local NTP server will eventually believe in the > clien

Re: [ntp:questions] Can I stop authenticated peers from mobilizing symmetric associations

2017-03-09 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 05:24:35PM +0100, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: > Couldn't the malicious client create a larger number of ephemeral > associations, using multiple IP addresses, in order to outvote good > servers? If it has a bunch of IP addresses, maybe... but you'd have to be close enou

Re: [ntp:questions] Can I stop authenticated peers from mobilizing symmetric associations

2017-03-10 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 02:34:51AM -0500, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 05:24:35PM +0100, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: > > Couldn't the malicious client create a larger number of ephemeral > > associations, using multiple IP addresses, in order to outvote good > > servers? > > I