Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-13 Thread Terje Mathisen
Jan Ceuleers wrote: Interesting Light Reading article on the degree to which infrastructure (in casu wireless networks) is dependent on GPS timing signals, how little is needed to jam GPS (intentionally or otherwise), and what the impact of such jamming would be. It also talks about how PTP

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-13 Thread Rob
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2013-12-12, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: Interesting Light Reading article on the degree to which infrastructure (in casu wireless networks) is dependent on GPS timing signals, how little is needed to jam GPS

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-13 Thread Uwe Klein
John Hasler wrote: In any case designers of things like cell towers should no more assume that GPS is always just there than they should assume that electric power is always just there. This is a _basic_ shortcoming in CDMA as designed and in use. ( think of it as the NTSC of mobile phone

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-13 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: In any case designers of things like cell towers should no more assume that GPS is always just there than they should assume that electric power is always just there. Uwe writes: This is a _basic_ shortcoming in CDMA as designed and in use. ( think of it as the NTSC of mobile phone

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-13 Thread Uwe Klein
John Hasler wrote: I wrote: In any case designers of things like cell towers should no more assume that GPS is always just there than they should assume that electric power is always just there. Uwe writes: This is a _basic_ shortcoming in CDMA as designed and in use. ( think of it as the

[ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-12 Thread Jan Ceuleers
Interesting Light Reading article on the degree to which infrastructure (in casu wireless networks) is dependent on GPS timing signals, how little is needed to jam GPS (intentionally or otherwise), and what the impact of such jamming would be. It also talks about how PTP might or might not

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-12 Thread John Hasler
There are many things that could be done to mitigate the GPS jamming and interference problem. Unfortunately, few if any are being done by anyone outside the military. These include: 1) Better front-end selectivity 2) Better front-end dynamic range 3) Directional antennas for fixed sites such

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-12 Thread David Woolley
On 12/12/13 13:57, John Hasler wrote: 1) Better front-end selectivity 2) Better front-end dynamic range I don't really see how these help against all but the crudest jammers, which transmit pure CW carriers or are off frequency. 3) Directional antennas for fixed sites such as cell towers

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-12 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: 1) Better front-end selectivity 2) Better front-end dynamic range David Woolley writes: I don't really see how these help against all but the crudest jammers, which transmit pure CW carriers or are off frequency. Better dynamic range means that the jammer must be closer or more

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-12 Thread Garrett Wollman
In article 87vbyugh88@thumper.dhh.gt.org, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: In any case designers of things like cell towers should no more assume that GPS is always just there than they should assume that electric power is always just there. So long as they're still running IS-2000

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-12 Thread Rob
Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: Interesting Light Reading article on the degree to which infrastructure (in casu wireless networks) is dependent on GPS timing signals, how little is needed to jam GPS (intentionally or otherwise), and what the impact of such jamming would be. It

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-12 Thread unruh
On 2013-12-12, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: Interesting Light Reading article on the degree to which infrastructure (in casu wireless networks) is dependent on GPS timing signals, how little is needed to jam GPS (intentionally or otherwise), and

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-12 Thread John Hasler
unruh writes: The article talks about a truck driving by the airport (ie a few km) jamming the airport. And that was a trucker probably unwilling to spend more than a 100 dollars on his jamming gear. And the jammed receivers probably weren't worth much more than that (though the airport

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS Weakness Could Sink Wireless

2013-12-12 Thread Rick Jones
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: The article talks about a truck driving by the airport (ie a few km) jamming the airport. And that was a trucker probably unwilling to spend more than a 100 dollars on his jamming gear. Is this the incident?