Re: [ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-16 Thread Danny Mayer
Dave, What I said about marauding gangs of clock cliques still holds. Also the last time I looked at the code the number 10 applied when you specified pool and would only take the number of servers already specified plus the number of pool servers needs to get to 10 if there were that many. Danny

Re: [ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-16 Thread David L. Mills
Danny, We would not be having this discussion if folks read "how NTP works" in the online documentation. The maximum number of selectable candidates is not limited to ten. Ten is the high water mark for the number of preemptable candidates mobilized by the manycast and pool modes. Dave Dann

Re: [ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-16 Thread David L. Mills
Danny, We would not be having this discussion if folks read "how NTP works" in the online documentation, in particular, the page on the select algorithm. The number of candidates is not limited to ten. By default, ten is the high water mark for survivors mobilized as preemptible in manycast a

Re: [ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-16 Thread Brian Utterback
On 09/16/11 02:19, unruh wrote: > On 2011-09-16, Doug Calvert wrote: >> Hello, >> From time to time people mention that the magic number of servers is >> 4,5,7 and nine. However I can not find a reference or explanation for >> the magical properties. Can anyone explain the background/basis in >>

Re: [ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-16 Thread Danny Mayer
On 9/16/2011 2:24 AM, unruh wrote: >> 6. Seven clocks allow for the failure of three. >> Etc, etc. . . . > > The only answer is to have at least 11 clocks although that > is also not foolproof:-) Actually no. If you get too many reference clocks they will start to gang up against e

Re: [ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-16 Thread Terje Mathisen
Doug Calvert wrote: Hello, From time to time people mention that the magic number of servers is 4,5,7 and nine. However I can not find a reference or explanation for the magical properties. Can anyone explain the background/basis in general? And specifically how is five or seven preferable to s

Re: [ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-16 Thread Harlan Stenn
Doug wrote: > From time to time people mention that the magic number of servers is > 4,5,7 and nine. However I can not find a reference or explanation for > the magical properties. Can anyone explain the background/basis in > general? And specifically how is five or seven preferable to six? You w

Re: [ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-15 Thread unruh
On 2011-09-16, Doug Calvert wrote: > Hello, > From time to time people mention that the magic number of servers is > 4,5,7 and nine. However I can not find a reference or explanation for > the magical properties. Can anyone explain the background/basis in > general? And specifically how is five o

Re: [ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-15 Thread unruh
On 2011-09-16, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > On 9/15/2011 10:34 PM, Doug Calvert wrote: >> Hello, >> From time to time people mention that the magic number of servers is >> 4,5,7 and nine. However I can not find a reference or explanation for >> the magical properties. Can anyone explain the backg

Re: [ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-15 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 9/15/2011 10:34 PM, Doug Calvert wrote: Hello, From time to time people mention that the magic number of servers is 4,5,7 and nine. However I can not find a reference or explanation for the magical properties. Can anyone explain the background/basis in general? And specifically how is five o

[ntp:questions] Magice Server Numbers: 4,5,7,9

2011-09-15 Thread Doug Calvert
Hello, From time to time people mention that the magic number of servers is 4,5,7 and nine. However I can not find a reference or explanation for the magical properties. Can anyone explain the background/basis in general? And specifically how is five or seven preferable to six? ___