Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2009-01-02 Thread David Woolley
David L. Mills wrote: > David, > > I don't understand the question. The algorithm to calculate the select > dispersion has not changed since rfc1305. The rf1305 description has But you cannot know that if you only look at RFC 1305, and not at the current documentation. Almost certainly he is im

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2009-01-02 Thread David L. Mills
David, I don't understand the question. The algorithm to calculate the select dispersion has not changed since rfc1305. The rf1305 description has been rewritten several times in many places, soI will not comment on rfc1305. There are much more modern descriptions in the places I named. The co

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2009-01-02 Thread David Woolley
Unruh wrote: > > Well, you do need to moderate that statement. Surely bugs are possible in > the reference implimentation, and those bugs do not define the algorithm. But there can also be bugs in the written specification, and the reference implementation has the advantage that it is proved to

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2009-01-01 Thread Unruh
David Woolley writes: >Russell, David wrote: >> >> I am suspicious of a particular implementation, especially since one problem >The point of having a reference implementation for an RFC is that the >reference implementation is the definitive definition of the algorithm, >i.e. the reference

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2009-01-01 Thread David Woolley
Russell, David wrote: > > I am suspicious of a particular implementation, especially since one problem The point of having a reference implementation for an RFC is that the reference implementation is the definitive definition of the algorithm, i.e. the reference implementation is correct, by

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2009-01-01 Thread Russell, David
Dave, I am sure that the algorithm is great, really. It is just that I can't figure out from RFC 1305 how it gets calculated: "which can be calculated in a manner similar to the filter dispersion described previously". My first attempt was too similar and I ran the same data points th

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2009-01-01 Thread David L. Mills
Russel, he detailed calculations are in the refeence implementation document on the NTP project page and in the NTPv4 Internet Draft. However, if the select dispersion is excessive, it isn't because the algorithm is in error; it's because you really do have large differences in the server popu

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2008-12-31 Thread David Woolley
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > See the reference implementation at > http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Main/SoftwareDownloads Which doesn't seem to include the deprecated version he is trying to implement. I think the advice here would be to forget about NTPV3 and use the current version, which

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2008-12-31 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Russell, David wrote: > I am trying to validate an NTP implementation that is exhibiting a lot > of churn in the cluster algorithm. Unfortunately I don't think that I > been able to properly calculate the select dispersion based on RFC1305. > > > Can anyone refer me to a more detailed descriptio

[ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2008-12-31 Thread Russell, David
I am trying to validate an NTP implementation that is exhibiting a lot of churn in the cluster algorithm. Unfortunately I don't think that I been able to properly calculate the select dispersion based on RFC1305. Can anyone refer me to a more detailed description of the calculations or even bett