[ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-14 Thread David Taylor
When using the ntpq -crv command, which is the better measure of system performance - clk_jitter or sys_jitter? I've look for the definitions and I'm thinking sys_jitter but perhaps someone could please remind me of the difference? Are the units for sys/clk_jitter in milliseconds. For my app

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-15 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On 2020-06-14, David Taylor wrote: > When using the ntpq -crv command, which is the better measure of system > performance - clk_jitter or sys_jitter? I've look for the definitions > and I'm thinking sys_jitter but perhaps someone could please remind me > of the difference? clk_jitter seems t

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-15 Thread David Taylor
On 15/06/2020 08:33, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On 2020-06-14, David Taylor wrote: When using the ntpq -crv command, which is the better measure of system performance - clk_jitter or sys_jitter? I've look for the definitions and I'm thinking sys_jitter but perhaps someone could please remind me o

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-15 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On 2020-06-15, David Taylor wrote: > [Been trying to send through e-mail to ntp-questions, but anything I > send gets rejected!] The news<->mail gateway has been broken for a very long time, e.g. responses to the mailing list are not getting back to the original posters in the ntp group, so mayb

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-15 Thread David Taylor
On 15/06/2020 16:10, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On 2020-06-15, David Taylor wrote: [] The lightly-loaded Raspberry Pi cards are all showing low numbers of jitter, and it would be really useful to get that in more than three decimal places of milliseconds. You would probably need to patch ntpd t

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-15 Thread David Woolley
On 15/06/2020 15:38, David Taylor wrote: https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/cluster.html What is the clock resolution? If you try and measure jitters that aren't several times the resolution, they are not going to be particularly valid. If the hardware clock is almost dead on, and

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-15 Thread William Unruh
On 2020-06-15, David Taylor wrote: > On 15/06/2020 08:33, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: >> On 2020-06-14, David Taylor wrote: >>> When using the ntpq -crv command, which is the better measure of system >>> performance - clk_jitter or sys_jitter? I've look for the definitions >>> and I'm thinking sys_j

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-15 Thread William Unruh
On 2020-06-15, David Woolley wrote: > On 15/06/2020 15:38, David Taylor wrote: >>> >>> https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/cluster.html > > What is the clock resolution? If you try and measure jitters that > aren't several times the resolution, they are not going to be > particularly val

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 15/06/2020 19:58, William Unruh wrote: [] Why would it be useful? What are you trying to do. It is always better to first present the problem rather than trying to get people to improve your solution to an unknown problem. It's not a problem, simply trying to get a better understanding of wh

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 15/06/2020 19:00, David Woolley wrote: [] What is the clock resolution?  If you try and measure jitters that aren't several times the resolution, they are not going to be particularly valid. If the hardware clock is almost dead on, and the peak to peak dither is just less than the resoluti

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On 2020-06-16, David Taylor wrote: > The clock on a Raspberry Pi ranges from 700 to 1500 MHz, so clock > resolution is in the nanosecond range. For best timekeeping performance, you would want to set the CPU frequency to a fixed value. > I would also like to see whether the characteristics of t

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 16/06/2020 14:04, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On 2020-06-16, David Taylor wrote: The clock on a Raspberry Pi ranges from 700 to 1500 MHz, so clock resolution is in the nanosecond range. For best timekeeping performance, you would want to set the CPU frequency to a fixed value. I would also l

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
Forgot the link: RasPi-1: https://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_raspi-1.php -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread William Unruh
On 2020-06-16, David Taylor wrote: > On 15/06/2020 19:00, David Woolley wrote: > [] >> What is the clock resolution?  If you try and measure jitters that >> aren't several times the resolution, they are not going to be >> particularly valid. >> >> If the hardware clock is almost dead on, and th

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread Dan Drown
Quoting David Taylor: The clock on a Raspberry Pi ranges from 700 to 1500 MHz, so clock resolution is in the nanosecond range. There is mention of 250 MHz as well, which would be 4 nanoseconds. It would be nice to see numbers which distinguish a little better than earlier RPi is "3" and more re

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 16/06/2020 17:11, William Unruh wrote: [] The question then is how rapidly the system can respond to an interrupt,. This at least used to be of the order of a microsecond. Also, how logd does it take to read the clock with the kernel gettime routines. They all limit the accuracy of your clock

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread William Unruh
On 2020-06-16, David Taylor wrote: > On 16/06/2020 17:11, William Unruh wrote: > [] >> The question then is how rapidly the system can respond to an >> interrupt,. This at least used to be of the order of a microsecond. >> Also, how logd does it take to read the clock with the kernel gettime >> ro

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 17/06/2020 00:03, William Unruh wrote: Unless the cables are properly terminated at boththe gps receiver and the computer, this is probably not true. (the velocity of light may be under 5ns (ie less than 5 feet between the receiver and the computer) but the capacitive charging of the cable, et

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-17 Thread David Woolley
On 16/06/2020 17:11, William Unruh wrote: The question then is how rapidly the system can respond to an interrupt,. This at least used to be of the order of a microsecond. Also, how logd does it take to read the clock with the kernel gettime routines. They all limit the accuracy of your clock usi