Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-05 Thread unruh
On 2011-03-31, Uwe Klein uwe_klein_habertw...@t-online.de wrote: Chris Albertson wrote: Another possibility to check is that both are not using the same system. What spheroid dose Google use? Is it WGS84? The GPS would need to be set to match whatever Google uses. Errors on the order of

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-02 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnipci4i.3la.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] Which route did you take-- PPS pin to RS232 (CMOS level) or via the buffers/inverters? All I am pointing out to people who might regard the sure board as a really cheap path, but do

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-02 Thread David J Taylor
I've done some more careful inspection of the Sure GPS comms trace: It really looks like the GPS does _not_ listen to commands by default, instead the controlling program sends a solitary '0' char to ask for permission to talk. About 200 ms later the GPS boards drop the CD (Carrier Detect)

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-02 Thread Terje Mathisen
David J Taylor wrote: I've done some more careful inspection of the Sure GPS comms trace: It really looks like the GPS does _not_ listen to commands by default, instead the controlling program sends a solitary '0' char to ask for permission to talk. About 200 ms later the GPS boards drop the

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-01 Thread unruh
On 2011-03-31, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid wrote: unruh wrote: My only concern is that the unit places its location 12m away from its actual location on Googleearth-- ie, either googleearth is 12 m out in its alignment

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-01 Thread unruh
On 2011-03-31, Terje Mathisen terje.mathisen at tmsw.no wrote: Uwe Klein wrote: http://www.google.com/search?client=operarls=deq=MG1613 going to have a look into the datasheets. That or ask Sure-Elec or inspect the USB(serial) traffic this could be a start: ( reading currently )

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-01 Thread Terje Mathisen
Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Uwe Klein uwe_klein_habertw...@t-online.de wrote: unruh wrote: My only concern is that the unit places its location 12m away from its actual location on Googleearth-- ie, either googleearth is 12 m out in its alignment to lat/long grid

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-01 Thread unruh
On 2011-03-31, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:19 AM, unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote: For general useage, the garmin 18 is still probably the easiest bet. While it does require soldering on power (eg usb) and a serial port, that soldering

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-01 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnipapga.co8.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] Using a soldering iron on surface mount devices is a bit trickier-- too easy to bridge the pins is you do not have very steady hands. Not saying you cannot do it. But Joe Bloggs might

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-01 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Terje Mathisen terje.mathisen at tmsw.no@ntp.org wrote: I don't think any GPS comes even close to 2 ns, given that the entire GPS constellation is only required to be within 14 ns or so of UTC. First off this is a timing gps. That means the receiver knows the

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-01 Thread Terje Mathisen
Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Terje Mathisenterje.mathisen at tmsw.no@ntp.org wrote: I don't think any GPS comes even close to 2 ns, given that the entire GPS constellation is only required to be within 14 ns or so of UTC. First off this is a timing gps. That

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-01 Thread Terje Mathisen
unruh wrote: On 2011-03-31, Terje Mathisenterje.mathisen at tmsw.no wrote: Based on this I tried to use HyperTrm to send the pdf sample command to turn on WAAS capability: I think WAAS is turned on by default. My sure lists that it is using DGPS but no DGPS station ID or time since source.

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-01 Thread Terje Mathisen
Terje Mathisen wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-03-31, Terje Mathisenterje.mathisen at tmsw.no wrote: Based on this I tried to use HyperTrm to send the pdf sample command to turn on WAAS capability: I think WAAS is turned on by default. My sure lists that it is using DGPS but no DGPS station ID

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-31 Thread Uwe Klein
David J Taylor wrote: I would be most interested in a copy of the programming manual should you get one. Just got my two samples. nice. works out of the box. The pcb design is rather well done imho. Rather interesting to follow the GSV sentences ( sat number, direction and quality ) All Docs

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-31 Thread unruh
On 2011-03-31, Uwe Klein uwe_klein_habertw...@t-online.de wrote: David J Taylor wrote: I would be most interested in a copy of the programming manual should you get one. Just got my two samples. nice. works out of the box. The pcb design is rather well done imho. Well, no they do not work

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-31 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:19 AM, unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote: For general useage, the garmin 18 is still probably the easiest bet. While it does require soldering on power (eg usb) and a serial port, that soldering is relatively easy to do, and the documentation on the gps18 is

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-31 Thread Uwe Klein
unruh wrote: On 2011-03-31, Uwe Klein uwe_klein_habertw...@t-online.de wrote: David J Taylor wrote: I would be most interested in a copy of the programming manual should you get one. Just got my two samples. nice. works out of the box. The pcb design is rather well done imho. Well, no

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-31 Thread Terje Mathisen
Uwe Klein wrote: http://www.google.com/search?client=operarls=deq=MG1613 going to have a look into the datasheets. That or ask Sure-Elec or inspect the USB(serial) traffic this could be a start: ( reading currently )

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-31 Thread Uwe Klein
Terje Mathisen wrote: Uwe Klein wrote: http://www.google.com/search?client=operarls=deq=MG1613 going to have a look into the datasheets. That or ask Sure-Elec or inspect the USB(serial) traffic this could be a start: ( reading currently )

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-31 Thread Uwe Klein
Chris Albertson wrote: Another possibility to check is that both are not using the same system. What spheroid dose Google use? Is it WGS84? The GPS would need to be set to match whatever Google uses. Errors on the order of up to 100M are posable. Not everyone uses the same system. I

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-31 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
unruh wrote: My only concern is that the unit places its location 12m away from its actual location on Googleearth-- ie, either googleearth is 12 m out in its alignment to lat/long grid at my house, or the unit is misreporting its position. Note that the scatter has only a standard

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-14 Thread Terje Mathisen
Terje Mathisen wrote: b) Since both the PPS and NMEA drivers have fudge flags to use a falling instead of the default rising edge of the DCD signal, I can use the first version of David's hack, i.e. from the official PPS header via the free RS232 level driver (U6 - pin 11-14). This should avoid

[ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-11 Thread Terje Mathisen
Inspired by http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Sure-GPS.htm and http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/MG1613S/ I ordered one of these boards, at a total cost of about $40 including shipping from Hong Kong. It arrived after a week or so, and so far both USB and RS232 simply works. :-) Receiver