Re: [Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-19 Thread Hin-Tak Leung
--- On Sat, 16/3/13, Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > Network access is *not* a given, nor > is the privilege of installing arbitrary "uncertified" and > "non-essential" tools - whatever the meaning of > "uncertified" and "non-essential" are, those being defined, > as is "design goal", etc, by some small c

Re: [Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-19 Thread Martin Maechler
> Simon Urbanek > on Sat, 16 Mar 2013 10:39:42 -0400 writes: > On Mar 16, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Hin-Tak Leung wrote: >> Network access is *not* a given, nor is the privilege of >> installing arbitrary "uncertified" and "non-essential" >> tools - whatever the meaning of "u

Re: [Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-16 Thread Yihui Xie
"the only place for it is /dev/null" --> hi Achim, I bet this is a nice fortune candidate :) Regards, Yihui -- Yihui Xie Phone: 515-294-2465 Web: http://yihui.name Department of Statistics, Iowa State University 2215 Snedecor Hall, Ames, IA On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Simon Urbanek wrote:

Re: [Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-16 Thread Simon Urbanek
On Mar 16, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > Network access is *not* a given, nor is the privilege of installing arbitrary > "uncertified" and "non-essential" tools - whatever the meaning of > "uncertified" and "non-essential" are, those being defined, as is "design > goal", etc, by som

Re: [Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-16 Thread Hin-Tak Leung
Network access is *not* a given, nor is the privilege of installing arbitrary "uncertified" and "non-essential" tools - whatever the meaning of "uncertified" and "non-essential" are, those being defined, as is "design goal", etc, by some small committee. It is a very common scenario, e.g. banks

Re: [Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-16 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Can you please stop this? You made your point, repeatedly. Nobody has come to your side. And you *do* have easy alternatives: i) git repo, see https://github.com/wch/r-source ii) nighly tarballs, see ftp://ftp.stat.math.ethz.ch/Software/R Whatever your particular circumstances

Re: [Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-16 Thread Hin-Tak Leung
--- On Sat, 16/3/13, peter dalgaard wrote: > On Mar 16, 2013, at 02:50 , Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > > > I'll quantify the first part - R is perhaps the only > public software project hosted on a subversion repository > for which the result of 'svn export ...' does not build. Not > only that it does

Re: [Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-16 Thread peter dalgaard
On Mar 16, 2013, at 02:50 , Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > I'll quantify the first part - R is perhaps the only public software project > hosted on a subversion repository for which the result of 'svn export ...' > does not build. Not only that it does not build, but make it a feature that > it does n

Re: [Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-15 Thread Hin-Tak Leung
I'll quantify the first part - R is perhaps the only public software project hosted on a subversion repository for which the result of 'svn export ...' does not build. Not only that it does not build, but make it a feature that it does not build. Very few other projects actively try to go in th

Re: [Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-15 Thread Simon Urbanek
On Mar 15, 2013, at 7:29 PM, Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > The decision to actively discourage non-subsersion usage of snapshot build is > already made (r62183). So I am just here to register a differing opinion. > > - it is not about subversion vs other-version-control-tools. There are two > parts of

[Rd] the case of building R snapshot without svn nor network connection.

2013-03-15 Thread Hin-Tak Leung
The decision to actively discourage non-subsersion usage of snapshot build is already made (r62183). So I am just here to register a differing opinion. - it is not about subversion vs other-version-control-tools. There are two parts of R's dev build process which requires an active network conne