Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-20 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Gavin Simpson wrote: > Hi Rolf, > > On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 12:31 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote: >> >> I despair.  Why do you keep insisting that black is white? >> The OP wanted to be able to specify an argument to boxplot() >> that would cause it to plot mild and extreme

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-20 Thread Rnewbie
Hi Ottorino, Nevermind. I'm not in a position to require answers. As I said, I appreciate any help and that people would spend time reading my post. I didn't intend to elicit debates over my post, but again I thank all for offering help. I need some time to digest the information before making f

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-20 Thread Ottorino-Luca Pantani
I'm very sorry for all this, but still serene. I'm (trying) to use R since may be 5 or 6 years now. What I learned from this list is that you have to show some code to let others to help you out, a thing that Rnewbye did not in this particular case. I had a look myself at the help pages and s

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-20 Thread Gavin Simpson
Hi Rolf, On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 12:31 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote: > > I despair. Why do you keep insisting that black is white? > The OP wanted to be able to specify an argument to boxplot() > that would cause it to plot mild and extreme outliers with > different symbols. Then you and I were readi

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-20 Thread Ottorino-Luca Pantani
Hi Jimmy, please be reassured that I did not intend to offend you nor any other in the list. Rnewbie ha scritto: I read the boxplot() help file and googled before making the post, and with my little knowledge on R I was not able to plot in the way I wanted. If I'm allowed, this was not evide

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Rnewbie
t; least >> a reasonable answer to the query (allowing the reader to at least infer >> that >> bxp does not distinguish degrees of outlyingness), so I don't understand >> your criticism. Feel free to respond privately if you prefer. >> >> -- Bert >> &

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Rolf Turner
On 20/08/2009, at 12:41 PM, S Ellison wrote: The OP asked how to plot mild and extreme outliers with distinct plotting symbols. ... In fact it can't be done! I hate to contradict (yeah, right! ;-) ) but actually the basic info needed for distinguishing different extents of outlier is availab

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
I agree its not completely obvious from that answer but that does not mean the responder deserves to be attacked. The circle part is actually the default and albeit with difficulty the help files do give the info we need to produce this: bp <- boxplot(c(1:50, 80, 100, 200), outpch = NA) with(bp,

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread S Ellison
>The OP asked how to plot mild and extreme outliers >with distinct plotting symbols. ... >In fact it can't be done! I hate to contradict (yeah, right! ;-) ) but actually the basic info needed for distinguishing different extents of outlier is available in the help files if you read through suffic

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Rolf Turner
tatisics -Original Message- From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r- project.org] On Behalf Of Rolf Turner Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:27 PM To: ottorino-luca.pant...@unifi.it Cc: Rnewbie; ERRE Subject: Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot On 20/08/20

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Rolf Turner
I despair. Why do you keep insisting that black is white? The OP wanted to be able to specify an argument to boxplot() that would cause it to plot mild and extreme outliers with different symbols. THIS CAN'T BE DONE!!! There is no such argument specification. The response to which I

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
nk" suppresses the lines and >> outpch=NA suppresses points. >> >> >> It seems to me that this (and other omitted excerpts + examples) is at least >> a reasonable answer to the query (allowing the reader to at least infer that >> bxp does not distinguish degree

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Gavin Simpson
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 09:58 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote: > On 20/08/2009, at 9:39 AM, Gavin Simpson wrote: > > > > > Criticising correct, if cryptic or highlevel, responses to a list > > where > > people give their time for free, *and* not provide a more complete > > solution is unfair, Rol

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Rolf Turner
On 20/08/2009, at 9:39 AM, Gavin Simpson wrote: Criticising correct, if cryptic or highlevel, responses to a list where people give their time for free, *and* not provide a more complete solution is unfair, Rolf. The OP is free to respond and ask for additional help once they've giv

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Gavin Simpson
> -- Bert > > Bert Gunter > Genentech Nonclinical Biostatisics > > -Original Message- > From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On > Behalf Of Rolf Turner > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:27 PM > To: ottorino-luca.pan

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Rolf Turner
to:r-help-boun...@r- project.org] On Behalf Of Rolf Turner Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:27 PM To: ottorino-luca.pant...@unifi.it Cc: Rnewbie; ERRE Subject: Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot On 20/08/2009, at 3:13 AM, Ottorino-Luca Pantani wrote: Rnewbie ha scritto: dear all,

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Bert Gunter
Nonclinical Biostatisics -Original Message- From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Rolf Turner Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:27 PM To: ottorino-luca.pant...@unifi.it Cc: Rnewbie; ERRE Subject: Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Rolf Turner
On 20/08/2009, at 3:13 AM, Ottorino-Luca Pantani wrote: Rnewbie ha scritto: dear all, could somebody tell me how I can plot mild outliers as a circle(°) and extreme outliers as an asterisk(*) in a box-whisker plot? Thanks very much in advance ?boxplot or help(bxp) This is the sort o

Re: [R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Ottorino-Luca Pantani
Rnewbie ha scritto: dear all, could somebody tell me how I can plot mild outliers as a circle(°) and extreme outliers as an asterisk(*) in a box-whisker plot? Thanks very much in advance ?boxplot or help(bxp) __ R-help@r-project.org mailing lis

[R] mild and extreme outliers in boxplot

2009-08-19 Thread Rnewbie
dear all, could somebody tell me how I can plot mild outliers as a circle(°) and extreme outliers as an asterisk(*) in a box-whisker plot? Thanks very much in advance -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/mild-and-extreme-outliers-in-boxplot-tp25040545p25040545.html Sent from