Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2010-01-05 Thread hpdutra
So here is some information that I hope gets criticized by the higher-intelligences that posted on this topic. Beware that I'm not a statistician and I'm just saying about what I think is correct. First, before fitting any model, check the distribution of your data, in some cases a simple anova i

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-13 Thread Jim Lemon
Peter Dalgaard wrote: ... That'll be anti-hist()-amine, I presume? I would think p-necillin a more appropriate treatment. Jim __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://w

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-12 Thread Marc Schwartz
on 06/12/2008 09:37 AM Peter Dalgaard wrote: Simon Blomberg wrote: Good points Ben. For now I'd recommend simply that the allergic reaction to insignificant statistical tests be treated with an antihistamine :-) A vote for Frank's comment to be added to the 'fortunes' package. S

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-12 Thread Peter Dalgaard
Simon Blomberg wrote: >>> Good points Ben. For now I'd recommend simply that the allergic >>> reaction to insignificant statistical tests be treated with an >>> antihistamine :-) >>> >> A vote for Frank's comment to be added to the 'fortunes' package. >> >> > Seconded! :-) > > Tha

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Simon Blomberg
> > Good points Ben. For now I'd recommend simply that the allergic > > reaction to insignificant statistical tests be treated with an > > antihistamine :-) > > > A vote for Frank's comment to be added to the 'fortunes' package. > Seconded! :-) > :-) > > Regards, > > Marc > > ___

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Marc Schwartz
on 06/11/2008 05:53 PM Frank E Harrell Jr wrote: Ben Bolker wrote: Lucke, Joseph F uth.tmc.edu> writes: And to follow FH and HW What level of significance are you using? .05 is excessively liberal. Are you adjusting your p-values for the number of possible models? Do you realize the p-values

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
Ben Bolker wrote: Lucke, Joseph F uth.tmc.edu> writes: And to follow FH and HW What level of significance are you using? .05 is excessively liberal. Are you adjusting your p-values for the number of possible models? Do you realize the p-values for dropping a term, being selected as the maximu

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Ben Bolker
Lucke, Joseph F uth.tmc.edu> writes: > > And to follow FH and HW > > What level of significance are you using? .05 is excessively liberal. > Are you adjusting your p-values for the number of possible models? Do > you realize the p-values for dropping a term, being selected as the > maximum of a

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Lucke, Joseph F
AM To: Frank E Harrell Jr Cc: r-help@r-project.org; ChCh Subject: Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Frank E Harrell Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ChCh wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I have consciously avoided us

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread hadley wickham
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Frank E Harrell Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ChCh wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I have consciously avoided using step() for model simplification in favour >> of manually updating the model by removing non-significant terms one at a >> time. I'm using The R Book by M

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
ChCh wrote: Hello, I have consciously avoided using step() for model simplification in favour of manually updating the model by removing non-significant terms one at a time. I'm using The R Book by M.J. Crawley as a guide. It comes as no surprise that my analysis does proceed as smoothly as doe

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Dalgaard
ChCh wrote: > Hello, > > I have consciously avoided using step() for model simplification in favour > of manually updating the model by removing non-significant terms one at a > time. I'm using The R Book by M.J. Crawley as a guide. It comes as no > surprise that my analysis does proceed as smooth

[R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-10 Thread ChCh
Hello, I have consciously avoided using step() for model simplification in favour of manually updating the model by removing non-significant terms one at a time. I'm using The R Book by M.J. Crawley as a guide. It comes as no surprise that my analysis does proceed as smoothly as does Crawley's a