Re: [R] [OT] Is data copyrightable?

2007-05-14 Thread Thomas Lumley
This is an area where US law differs importantly from other countries. US law protects compilations of facts only to the extent that the selection of the facts is creative expression (and does not protect the facts themselves). Many other jurisdictions (eg European Union) also offer protectio

Re: [R] [OT] Is data copyrightable?

2007-05-13 Thread hadley wickham
These links from the US copyright office seem relevant: "Copyright Registration for Automated Databases" http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ65.html and "Furthermore, copyright protection does not extend to works consisting entirely of information that is common property containing no original au

Re: [R] [OT] Is data copyrightable?

2007-05-13 Thread hadley wickham
Dear Brian, Peter, Spencer, Thanks for your comments, which have cleared things up a little for me. The thing I find most confusing about copyright is that it is emergent, not atomic - ie. if you split a copyrighted work into small enough pieces (eg. letters, pixels) those pieces are no longer co

[R] [OT] Is data copyrightable?

2007-05-13 Thread Michael Sumner
A relevant book on this important (and evolving) topic is Math You Can't Use: Patents, Copyright, and Software by Ben Klemens (2006) __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide

Re: [R] [OT] Is data copyrightable?

2007-05-12 Thread Peter Dalgaard
Spencer Graves wrote: > Dear Hadley: > Brian's reply seems more consistent with what I've heard than > Peter's. That's a bit surprising, given that they are broadly in agreement, and the actual legal source is Springer in both cases... -pd __ R

Re: [R] [OT] Is data copyrightable?

2007-05-12 Thread Spencer Graves
Dear Hadley: P.s. Ben Klemens (2006) Math you can't use (Brookings) cites cases where people have been successfully sued for copyright infringement for using a theorem they independently discovered. That's pretty scary to me and seems totally unreasonable, but apparently the law at

Re: [R] [OT] Is data copyrightable?

2007-05-12 Thread Spencer Graves
Dear Hadley: Brian's reply seems more consistent with what I've heard than Peter's. The briefest summary I know of copyright law is that expression but not ideas can be copyrighted. Copyright law exists to promote useful arts, and a compilation of data is intended to be useful.

Re: [R] [OT] Is data copyrightable?

2007-05-12 Thread Peter Dalgaard
hadley wickham wrote: > Dear all, > > This is a little bit off-topic, but I was wondering if anyone has any > informed opinion on whether data (ie. a dataset) is copyrightable? > > Hadley > In general not, I believe. E.g., I didn't have to ask formal permission to use data from Altman's book in

Re: [R] [OT] Is data copyrightable?

2007-05-12 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Sat, 12 May 2007, hadley wickham wrote: > This is a little bit off-topic, but I was wondering if anyone has any > informed opinion on whether data (ie. a dataset) is copyrightable? Yes, informed (we discussed this with legally qualified authorities when MASS was first published with software/

[R] [OT] Is data copyrightable?

2007-05-12 Thread hadley wickham
Dear all, This is a little bit off-topic, but I was wondering if anyone has any informed opinion on whether data (ie. a dataset) is copyrightable? Hadley __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do re