Re: [R] Neat way of using R for pivoting?

2005-09-20 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
On 9/20/05, Greg Snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> Gabor Grothendieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/20/05 11:31AM >>> > >> Just one comment here lest we be arguing against a strawman. > >> While I agree that reproducibility can be a problem with pivot > tables > >> if created interactively and this

Re: [R] Neat way of using R for pivoting?

2005-09-20 Thread Greg Snow
>>> Gabor Grothendieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/20/05 11:31AM >>> >> Just one comment here lest we be arguing against a strawman. >> While I agree that reproducibility can be a problem with pivot tables >> if created interactively and this applies to just about anything you do >> in Excel if done in

Re: [R] Neat way of using R for pivoting?

2005-09-20 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
On 9/20/05, Patrick Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gabor Grothendieck wrote: > ... > > >The fact that Excel has both an interactive interface and a script-based > >interface whereas R has only a script-based interface puts it ahead, not > >behind, R in at least some respects. > > > > > > Sorr

Re: [R] Neat way of using R for pivoting?

2005-09-20 Thread Patrick Burns
Gabor Grothendieck wrote: ... >The fact that Excel has both an interactive interface and a script-based >interface whereas R has only a script-based interface puts it ahead, not >behind, R in at least some respects. > > Sorry, but I can't resist: That very much depends on if you are doing som

Re: [R] Neat way of using R for pivoting?

2005-09-20 Thread Liaw, Andy
> From: Greg Snow > > >>> "BANNISTER, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/20/05 > 09:46AM >>> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'd like to use R to do what excel pivot tables do, and plot > results. > > R does not have pivot tables and I hope that it never does. > > My experiance with pivot tables is that th

Re: [R] Neat way of using R for pivoting?

2005-09-20 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
On 9/20/05, Greg Snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> "BANNISTER, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/20/05 > 09:46AM >>> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'd like to use R to do what excel pivot tables do, and plot > results. > > R does not have pivot tables and I hope that it never does. > > My experiance wi

Re: [R] Neat way of using R for pivoting?

2005-09-20 Thread hadley wickham
Hi Keith, You might want to check out my reshape package (http://had.co.nz/reshape/) which is very much pivot table inspired. I doesn't produce graphics yet, but the output is very amenable to being fed into existing R graphics function (especially lattice graphics). Hadley

Re: [R] Neat way of using R for pivoting?

2005-09-20 Thread Greg Snow
>>> "BANNISTER, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/20/05 09:46AM >>> >> >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to use R to do what excel pivot tables do, and plot results. R does not have pivot tables and I hope that it never does. My experiance with pivot tables is that they encourage poor initial design followed b

[R] Neat way of using R for pivoting?

2005-09-20 Thread BANNISTER, Keith
Hi, I'd like to use R to do what excel pivot tables do, and plot results. I've never used R before, and I've managed to do something, but it's quite a lot of code to do something simple. I can't help but think I'm not "Doing it the R way". I could be using R for the wrong thing, in which case,