Re: [R-sig-Geo] cross validation gstat

2009-02-24 Thread ONKELINX, Thierry
Edzer Pebesma Verzonden: maandag 23 februari 2009 20:32 Aan: dde...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca CC: r-sig-geo@stat.math.ethz.ch Onderwerp: Re: [R-sig-Geo] cross validation gstat dde...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca wrote: > Hi list, > A quick question regarding n-fold validation... > I've seen several

Re: [R-sig-Geo] cross validation gstat

2009-02-23 Thread van Etten, Jacob (IRRI)
...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca Cc: r-sig-geo@stat.math.ethz.ch Subject: Re: [R-sig-Geo] cross validation gstat dde...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca wrote: > Hi list, > A quick question regarding n-fold validation... > I've seen several papers suggest the LOOCV is too optimistic. Is > n-fold

Re: [R-sig-Geo] cross validation gstat

2009-02-23 Thread ddepew
Thanks Edzer, for some reason I had it in my head that n-fold was a variant of what you describe; an independent randomly selected set to "check" the fit if the model. I guess that's where I was heading with CV, sore form of relative assessment of how "good" the fitted variogram model was/is

Re: [R-sig-Geo] cross validation gstat

2009-02-23 Thread Edzer Pebesma
dde...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca wrote: > Hi list, > A quick question regarding n-fold validation... > I've seen several papers suggest the LOOCV is too optimistic. Is > n-fold closer to a "true" validation? I don't think "true" validation exists; could you explain what it is? If you mean having a compl

[R-sig-Geo] cross validation gstat

2009-02-23 Thread ddepew
Hi list, A quick question regarding n-fold validation... I've seen several papers suggest the LOOCV is too optimistic. Is n-fold closer to a "true" validation? I am assuming that it uses the variogram that is constructed using ALL data, so my assumption is that the variogram is not re-fit for