Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2020-04-30 Thread Dexter Lagan
I put my foot in my mouth again, it's working. I must have had something else disabled. I clearly remember not being able to make the cursor 'jump' around expressions. Dex On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:16 PM Sorawee Porncharoenwase < sorawee.pw...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have debugging disabled,

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2020-04-30 Thread Sorawee Porncharoenwase
I have debugging disabled, but my parenthesis highlighting is NOT disabled. Are we talking about the same parenthesis highlighting? Can you attach the screenshot of this "parenthesis highlighting is also disabled" to the mailing list? On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:36 AM Dexter Lagan wrote: >

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2020-04-30 Thread Dexter Lagan
There’s one thing I noticed: if debugging is disabled, then parenthesis highlighting is also disabled (as well as other visual aids, if I remember well?). The editor also feels faster because of this, but navigating parentheses becomes slightly more tedious without it. Dex > On Apr 25,

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2020-04-25 Thread Liwei Chou
Similar discussion here. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/racket-users/WvThwc98kMU Sorawee Porncharoenwase於 2020年4月26日星期日 UTC+8上午2時03分13秒寫道: > > I like the idea of adding a "with debugging" to the banner when a program >> is run in DrRacket, but I´m not sure it is possible. >> > > It

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2020-04-25 Thread Sorawee Porncharoenwase
> > I like the idea of adding a "with debugging" to the banner when a program > is run in DrRacket, but I´m not sure it is possible. > It current exists already! The screenshot I attached above is from the actual DrRacket when debugging is enabled. > (It would be even better if the user can

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2020-04-25 Thread Sorawee Porncharoenwase
It could go either way, no? I've also heard a lot of people complaining that debugging Racket programs is difficult because the stack trace is not useful, and this is because they use the command-line version which doesn't have errortrace enabled (by default). Perhaps what you really are

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2020-04-25 Thread Liwei Chou
Thanks Dexter, Yes, now I know it’s due to the debugging and tracing configuration. After turn off debugging and profiling, it becomes. cpu time: 20 real time: 20 gc time: 0 If disable Preserve stacktrace also, I got. cpu time: 7 real time: 7 gc time: 0 Which is pretty decent, 16x

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2020-04-25 Thread Dexter Lagan
Hi Liwei, I believe disabling debugging and tracing does accelerate the evaluation quite a bit from inside DrRacket. On my system, it seems to be running my code at the same speed as the main racket binary. Dex On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:35 AM Liwei Chou wrote: > Dexter Lagan於 2019年7月22日星期一

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2020-04-24 Thread Liwei Chou
Dexter Lagan於 2019年7月22日星期一 UTC+8下午4時52分42秒寫道 > > From my perspective the only barrier of entry to Racket is the > documentation: it is very clear, detailed and well-written, but to certain > of my students they can also be quite obscure, especially to those who > don’t have comp-sci

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 02:59:03AM -0700, Jérôme Martin wrote: > On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 9:39:08 PM UTC+2, Atlas Atlas wrote: > > For example men in general more aggressive then women, they also pursue > different social goals. You cannot ignore this, or blame the men for what > they are.

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-26 Thread Jérôme Martin
On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 9:39:08 PM UTC+2, Atlas Atlas wrote: > For example men in general more aggressive then women, they also pursue different social goals. You cannot ignore this, or blame the men for what they are. You also cannot ignore the fact that people in general driven by their

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-26 Thread Mike G.
On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 02:10:44PM -0400, Neil Van Dyke wrote: > Atlas, I will have to think more about your message, but I think you're > right to suggest that FAANGs might be part of a problem Perhaps I'm the only one, but I had no idea what "FAANG" meant. For similar folks: "FAANG is an

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-25 Thread Atlas Atlas
If we want more women, or any other group of people, involved in Racket, the only way to achieve this is to explain to this groups of people why do they need Racket. *(And openness and honesty is a great way to do it)* And try to answer this question for ourselves. What Racket can offer to

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-25 Thread Atlas Atlas
It is crucial to understand that "lowering barriers" can mean different even opposite things. You can lower barrier by helping someone to learn. And you can actually "lower barrier" by diminishing the goal. And when we talking about social interaction we must acknowledge that people a

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-25 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Atlas, I will have to think more about your message, but I think you're right to suggest that FAANGs might be part of a problem.  For example, see yesterday's outreach email from a FAANG (quoted at end of this email), posted as an apparent diversity initiative, to students of a big-name CS

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-25 Thread Atlas Atlas
I never said that lowering barriers is lying or insulting. I say that lowering barriers by lying (by making an impression instead of a reality demonstration) is really bad way to go. If there is actual barriers, the work must be putted to improve on them, and not to improve on showing that

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-25 Thread Matthew Butterick
Mr. Atlas, since this seems to be only your second contribution to the racket-users list (the first was yesterday) I'm reluctant to impute much weight to your views, since I can't verify that there's a sincere human behind them. In any case, I can agree with you on the value of education. But

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-25 Thread Atlas Atlas
1. To increase inclusiveness of some group of people, you educate people from this group on the subject of lisp racket computer science etc. 2. By lowering "barriers" you just welcome someone who doesn't care for the project and ruining community from inside. 3. By making a show about what

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-24 Thread Jérôme Martin
Thank you very much Matthew and Neil for those refreshing write-ups! I'm really glad to see the question of inclusion, diversity (not the politically charged American meaning), and overall well-being in an mostly online community. DISCLAIMER: Please take what I'm going to say with a distance.

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-22 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Matthew Butterick wrote on 7/21/19 4:46 PM: But as was true for a lot of kids like me during that era, computers were a refuge. They never judged me. They rewarded my curiosity. There's a complementary acceptance component to the microcomputer revolutions, which I think are relevant to

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-22 Thread Brian Adkins
On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 1:07:21 PM UTC-4, Caleb Allen wrote: > > As an additional data point, I can share my very fast introduction into > Racket and the community. You asked for experiences where the community may > have made people feel unwelcome, but mine is a positive experience. I share

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-22 Thread Caleb Allen
As an additional data point, I can share my very fast introduction into Racket and the community. You asked for experiences where the community may have made people feel unwelcome, but mine is a positive experience. I share it to perhaps give an angle of what *is* right, and the parts of the

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-22 Thread Dexter Lagan
First I’d like to express my immense gratitude for your contributions to the Racket community. Beautiful Racket greatly enhanced my understanding of language-oriented programming and macros in general. TL;DR: Racket is the most inspiring language and ecosystem I have ever used. I use it not

Re: [racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-21 Thread Stephen De Gabrielle
Thank you. S. On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 at 21:46, Matthew Butterick wrote: > I'm not a member of Racket management. But I spend a lot of time using & > promoting Racket. Most recently, I taught the Beautiful Racket Workshop as > part of Racket Week 2019. > > I care a lot about Racket — the

[racket-users] on reducing barriers in the Racket community

2019-07-21 Thread Matthew Butterick
I'm not a member of Racket management. But I spend a lot of time using & promoting Racket. Most recently, I taught the Beautiful Racket Workshop as part of Racket Week 2019. I care a lot about Racket — the technology, but especially the human community that makes it possible. I've heard from