Re: [rails-oceania] ruby.org.au

2012-04-27 Thread Navin
I'm with Mark on this one. In my experience as a student and a teacher at University, CS concepts and theory is what they're going for - not proficiency in any particular language. I agree that they do tilt towards being relevant to industry but I suggest that this is never going to be their

Re: [rails-oceania] ruby.org.au

2012-04-27 Thread Leonard
I graduated as an engineer so all my "contacts" (people whose names I still remember) are from the engineering department. If someone else on the list has better contacts (even if they're a UTS student) then we're likely to have more luck that way. But I coulf drop my thesis supervisor an email

Re: [rails-oceania] ruby.org.au

2012-04-27 Thread Mark Wotton
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Leonard wrote: > That's fine, if employers are prepared to accept they'll be hiring people > with little to no actual technical skills. The problem is that universities > aren't focusing on proper "computer science" and are already providing a > great deal of voca

Re: [rails-oceania] ruby.org.au

2012-04-27 Thread Tim McEwan
On Friday, 27 April 2012 at 23:20, Gregory McIntyre wrote: > at USyd a while > ago It seems I have to fire our marketing department. :-p I've been interested in getting something similar to this happening at UTS for a while. As a student I was in Eng/Sci though, so I don't know any of the IT p

Re: [rails-oceania] ruby.org.au

2012-04-27 Thread Gregory McIntyre
I love this discussion. I've long been an advocate of Ruby for teaching. I promoted using Ruby to lecturers at the ANU about 12 years ago. I gave a lecture on Ruby at a course about Python at UNSW. I have trained people on Ruby in a corporate setting. Julio reckons I taught him Ruby, but he's just

Re: [rails-oceania] ruby.org.au

2012-04-27 Thread Leonard
That's fine, if employers are prepared to accept they'll be hiring people with little to no actual technical skills. The problem is that universities aren't focusing on proper "computer science" and are already providing a great deal of vocational training in order to make people more employable

Re: [rails-oceania] ruby.org.au

2012-04-27 Thread Mark Wotton
I went to Sydney, as you well know:) and first year CS at UNSW is now taught in C, I believe. mark On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Andrew Grimm wrote: > You sure you aren't just saying that because UNSW teaches (last time I > heard, anyway) haskell? > > Andrew > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:44

Re: [rails-oceania] ruby.org.au

2012-04-27 Thread Andrew Grimm
You sure you aren't just saying that because UNSW teaches (last time I heard, anyway) haskell? Andrew On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Mark Wotton wrote: > I'm going to be contrary here and suggest the opposite: whenever university > courses try to be "industry-relevant", they're always laughabl

Re: [rails-oceania] ruby.org.au

2012-04-27 Thread Mark Wotton
I'm going to be contrary here and suggest the opposite: whenever university courses try to be "industry-relevant", they're always laughably behind. I would far prefer to get out of uni with a reasonable understanding of algorithms, operating systems and fundamentals of programming languages than an