Re: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Jot Powers
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 05:30:23PM -0800, Marc Perkel wrote: > The newsletter for the Electronic Frontier Foundation is not spam. If > Razor lists it as spam then the problem is not on my end. The problem is > with Razor, and it needs to be fixed. Not to be contrary, but you're wrong. It's your

[Razor-users] Re: Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Frank Tobin
Marc Perkel, on 2003-02-23, wrote: > The newsletter for the Electronic Frontier Foundation is not spam. If > Razor lists it as spam then the problem is not on my end. The problem is > with Razor, and it needs to be fixed. A bunch of email users are in a room. A Razor-like system goes out to them

RE: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Rose, Bobby
Title: Message Why don't you spend your time trying to find out who on your supposed "opt-in" list reported your mailings to razor.  Here's an idea.  Why not send out a message to your list of addresses and tell them how to unsubscribe from your list instead of hiding it in the lo

Re: [Razor-users] Using Razor as a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Steven Champeon
on Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 07:13:48PM -0800, Marc Perkel wrote: > Adam Goryachev wrote: > >>folks at moveon.org who said that everything they send is being > >>flagged by razor as spam. ... > >Well, if they are sending out the same stuff as the spam I get telling me > >all about the perils of war, the

Re: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Marc Perkel
The newsletter for the Electronic Frontier Foundation is not spam. If Razor lists it as spam then the problem is not on my end. The problem is with Razor, and it needs to be fixed. Shawn McMahon wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 09:35:30AM -0800, Marc Perkel said: The idea that there

Re: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Edward Huang (chwdslab/dell)
just my two cents - any filtering system will result in accidentally blocked messages, its the responsibility of the sysadmin to regularly review the blocked the folder I can't tell from the thread if Razor is being in combination with other methods (we use SpamAssassin with Razor and several RBLs

Re: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Mark Sheppard
On 2003-02-23 (Sunday) at 10:27:01 -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 09:35:30AM -0800, Marc Perkel said: > > The idea that there is nothing that I can do to stop our newsletter from > > being blacklisted by Razor is unacceptable. That would definitely be the > > wrong answer.

Fw: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Bill Sobel
> > Razor is mildly dependent on people reporting spams, but it is desperately > dependent on people not reporting non-spams. There is a BIG difference. If > you send in real spams, ho hum, there are lots of people doing that, but > thank you for your support. But if you report one non-spam incorre

Re: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Mark Sheppard
> > Besides, who cares if a message is being tagged as spam so long as > > it's being delivered. Note that I said "tagged". Razor, SA, > > pyzor, etc are not MTA and don't come with any code to drop a > > message into the bit-bucket. > > YMMV. You can run Razor from within SpamAssassin within Am

Re: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Bob Apthorpe wrote: > > The idea that there is nothing that I can do to stop our newsletter from > > being blacklisted by Razor is unacceptable. That would definitely be the > > wrong answer. > Question: Do you have the same problem with DCC? > (http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/) The premi

Re: [Razor-users] Spiritual advice needed-solved

2003-02-23 Thread Robin Lynn Frank
On Saturday 22 February 2003 07:06 pm, Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't call method "log" on > unblessed reference at > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 212. > > Is there something I can do about being unblessed or do I need a

Re: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Shawn McMahon
On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 09:35:30AM -0800, Marc Perkel said: > The idea that there is nothing that I can do to stop our newsletter from > being blacklisted by Razor is unacceptable. That would definitely be the > wrong answer. If you're unable to accept the idea, the problem is on your end. Actu

RE: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

2003-02-23 Thread Adam Goryachev
> Yesterday Razor caused the Electronic Frontier Foundation's newsletter > to not reach possibly thousands of subscribing members. I want to be > able to prevent this from happening in the future. How do I contact the > complaining person(s) so that I can remove them from the list and make > sure t