Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> EFF's newsletter is free speech and is sent only to subscribers. Razor
> has miscategorized it as spam and as a result of that
> miscatagorization the newsletter failed to reach the normal inbox of
> users who legitimately wanted to recieve this informatio
Bob,
Your response focuses on a single point, which is that EFF should be
using verification on their mailing list. This point may be valid, but
it seems weak to me, and it misses the point.
It seems reasonable to assume that many, if not most, individuals who
are both razor users and EFF sub
Hi,
Marc: Please, please, please - read what I've written, fix EFFector's
confirmation process to comply with the guidelines at
http://mail-abuse.com/manage.html - specifically "Permission of new
subscribers must be fully verified before mailings commence."
Reconfirm your mailing list. Take data
Bob Apthorpe wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:38:59 -0800 Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's not a matter of personal opinion. EFF newsletter is not spam
period.
If one defines spam as 'unsolicited bulk email' and EFF does not confirm
subscription requests
Hi,
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:38:59 -0800 Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not a matter of personal opinion. EFF newsletter is not spam
> period.
If one defines spam as 'unsolicited bulk email' and EFF does not confirm
subscription requests, then it very possible that the newsletter i
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 18:30, Marc Perkel wrote:
> For those who don't get it - let me clarify what I'm saying.
You know, I *used* to have a lot of respect for EFF and it's efforts,
but if Marc is any indication of the intelligence of the EFF staff and
it's understanding of current technology, they
So has EFF started trying to track down the email address that reported
it? Should be pretty simple if the message is being bounce back to you
because it was labeled as spam.
-Original Message-
From: Marc Perkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:39 PM
To: R
> Razor is interfering with the free speech rights of the Electronic
> Frontier Foundation and the rights of 30,000 subscribers.
No it's not. Some of those 30,000 subscribers are choosing to use Razor in a
manner that prevents them -- the subscriber -- from receiving your mail.
They, the subscribe
Also, I should note that razor checks do appear to be working, as
spamassasin reports -
SPAM: RAZOR2_CHECK (3.9 points) Listed in Razor2, see
http://razor.sf.net/
in recent messages.
Thanks,
Chris
Netlabz, Inc.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> EFF's newsletter is free speech and is sent only to subscribers. Razor
> has miscategorized it as spam and as a result of that miscatagorization
> the newsletter failed to reach the normal inbox of users who
> legitimately wanted to recieve this information.
This ISN'T a flaw of Razor - it is a
This may have been answered before, but I'm getting the following messages
from time to time in my maillog.
I'm running razor-agents-2.22 on rh 7.3, with spamassasin 2.44.
Feb 26 16:58:01 mail spamd[472]: razor2 check skipped: Bad file descriptor
could not connect to any servers
Feb
For those who don't get it - let me clarify what I'm saying.
EFF's newsletter is free speech and is sent only to subscribers. Razor
has miscategorized it as spam and as a result of that miscatagorization
the newsletter failed to reach the normal inbox of users who
legitimately wanted to recieve
> It's not up to Razor to dictate the rules to the rest of the planet.
Right: Razor only dictates the rules to its users. All of the users *chose*
to user Razor, accepting this.
--Will
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This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for
. It's not up to Razor
> to dictate the rules to the rest of the planet.
Razor isn't dictating anything. Razor is merely reporting whether any given
message has been reported as spam (for ANY reason).
It is still up to the sysamin or end user to make the decision on whether to
allow it or not.
O
> >> I, like many others have several 'honeypot' accounts (in fact we have a
> >> couple of entire domains used as honeypots), and any mail sent to any
of
> >> these accounts or domains are automatically reported as spam.
> >
> Probably not such a good idea. One might consider a half a dozen or so
If the EFF isn't validating accounts, I don't care how it got listed.
If someone is running a mailing list and is not validating accounts.
Then anyone can subscribe anyone to that list. Given that my competitor
ISP is doing exactly that to me, I don't really give a
ratz-hinderst parts if any lis
If EFF isn't validating accounts - how do you know that the cause of
EFF's newsletter being listed as spam is related to non-validation?
The point is - we don't know why EFF's newsletter got listed and we can
not find out. And that is something that I have a problem with. There
are a lot of new
> It's not a matter of personal opinion. EFF newsletter is not spam
> period.
If I recieve it and didn't sign up for it then it IS SPAM.
Nothing personal here. I seem to get a LOT of maillist postings that I've
never signed up for and I consider them to be ALL SPAM.
> You have to sign up to get
I, like many others have several 'honeypot' accounts (in fact we have a
couple of entire domains used as honeypots), and any mail sent to any of
these accounts or domains are automatically reported as spam.
Probably not such a good idea. One might consider a half a dozen or so spam
trap account
It's not a matter of personal opinion. EFF newsletter is not spam
period. You have to sign up to get it - and each newsletter contains
unsubscribe information that is simple and works. Therefore - if Razor
is listing it as spam - it's either a flaw in razor - being misreported
or gamed by a thi
> > >>The newsletter for the Electronic Frontier Foundation is not spam.
> > This is still a matter of personal opinion. You must never forget this
> fact.
>
> These two sentences pretty much sum up with what I think is unfixable
> about Razor. If you want to use Razor to 'block' spam, then everyo
> >>The newsletter for the Electronic Frontier Foundation is not spam.
> This is still a matter of personal opinion. You must never forget this
fact.
These two sentences pretty much sum up with what I think is unfixable
about Razor. If you want to use Razor to 'block' spam, then everyone
using it
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