[RBW] Re: Clem Chainstay Ding Peer Review Request

2024-03-31 Thread ascpgh
Tough scenario... I agree with Patrick, it's a new to you item damaged from when you put your money into the bike you wanted but is now different of condition. A detail that kicking in your buyer's foothold includes is the seller's option to refund you and take it back. I'm thinking that may n

[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

2024-03-31 Thread Garth
It may be less but would it really matter enough to notice it in brake funtion I can't say as every setup is unique. The main thing with the roller to me it so there isn't a cable sticking out the side of the seat tube. Using the noodle like Allan did looks good too. On Sunday, March 31, 2

[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

2024-03-31 Thread Steve
I'm following with interest - and though my mixte (Platypus) sports V-brakes I've had similar questions in my effort to smooth out the pull of the rear brake. I've tried routing the cable through the short guide brazed on the seat tube as well as bypassing it. Didn't seem to make much differenc

[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

2024-03-31 Thread Steve
I'm following with interest - and though my mixte (Platypus) sports V-brakes I've had similar questions in my effort to smooth out the pull of the rear brake. I've tried routing the cable through the short guide brazed on the seat tube as well as bypassing it. Didn't seem to make much differenc

[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

2024-03-31 Thread Joe Bernard
You may get a little smoother (less gritty-feeling) action at the brake lever because the cable is making one less turn at the seat lug, but I'm not sure it's worth the bother. On my mixte and step-thru I adjust the spring tension at the rear brake to get a strong snap-back at the lever and it

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Shimano Rapid Rise XT RD-m780, Velo Orange crankset 46/30, CX70 brakes, Brooks B72 + saddle sandwich, B+M Secula Plus, SunTour BL FD, more

2024-03-31 Thread Abe Gardner
Updated list now that several items sold: Vintage Brooks B72 + saddle sandwich and extra long bolts to make it fit on a modern seatpost. Modified to add holes in the skirt so it can be laced between the skirts for added support / prevent flare. ($80) SunTour BL Blue Line front dereailer FD - ca

[RBW] Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch
Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy. Seems the prevailing thought is long stays are better for upright riding single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail) I'll just note 2 'facts

[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

2024-03-31 Thread Steve
Joe, at the risk of veering off into a discussion or braking technique, I am curious how you control your speed when descending or cornering on rough or loose surfaces. While I recognize that the majority of stopping power resides in the front of the bike, I find the ability to modulate the rea

Re: [RBW] Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread Richard Rose
Oh man, I don’t know where to start. I will by stating that as a cyclist for nearly 50 years I was aware of Rivendell since their inception. But I never really entertained owning one until the long chainstay bikes. Why? Because Rivendell’s looked like road bikes & to me the best road bikes came wit

Re: [RBW] Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread Patrick Moore
Grant extended the chainstays on my road customs from an XO-1-length 42 cm on the 1995 to 45 cm (to end of horizontal dropouts; Chauncey extended them by another cm or so with even longer dropouts) on the later 2, and I don't know if this is a problem and a solution, but the later 2 customs handled

[RBW] FFS: one year's worth of Bicycle Quarterly

2024-03-31 Thread Paul Richardson
i have up for grabs the three most recent issues of BQ--nos. 83, 84, and 85. yours for $9, paypal f+f or cash. thanks paul takoma park, md. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receivin

Re: [RBW] FFS: one year's worth of Bicycle Quarterly

2024-03-31 Thread Patrick Moore
Paul: I'll take them! Patrick Moore On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 12:58 PM Paul Richardson wrote: > i have up for grabs the three most recent issues of BQ--nos. 83, 84, and > 85. yours for $9, paypal f+f or cash. > > thanks > paul > takoma park, md. > > -- > You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

2024-03-31 Thread Joe Bernard
Steve, I learned it from motorcycles, too. I run my rear brake with more travel than the front so it's hard to lock up, and use it as a drag brake on loose surfaces.* Which contributes to my attitude that I don't care much if it feels grittier than the front. *This pops up a lot when I sell

Re: [RBW] Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread Steve
John, you've asked a good question. To my mind all three of your bikes have long to longish chain stays. Granted, the magic most probably lies in the marriage of long chain stays with slack HT and ST angles and a comfortable pedaling position - however - if you want to find the answer to your

Re: [RBW] Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread Steve
John, you've asked a good question. To my mind all three of your bikes have long to longish chain stays. Granted, the magic most probably lies in the marriage of long chain stays with slack HT and ST angles and a comfortable pedaling position - however - if you want to find the answer to your

Re: [RBW] Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread Josiah Anderson
I am a big fan of the long chainstays, having had them on two Gus Boots-Willsens – a first-generation blue one that was lost to an idiot driver a few months into my time with it, and now a Mermaid one from the newer batch. It sounds like maybe you don't approve of the long-stay design, and I'm not

[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread Bill Lindsay
The OP asked: "*What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by using long chain stays"* What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"? If you can define that, perhaps I can respond to your question (emphatically stated with FOUR question marks) Bill Lindsay El

RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Bill Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the long C/S solving? I thought it was a straight forward question. I suggest eliminate “in bike design” and problems or current deficiencies refer to the current bikes available.Another way of saying it is what

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread William Lindsay
John OK so you are saying that every bike on earth that is currently available are all in one group and Rivendells are not in that group. In order to be allowed to exist a Rivendell must either conform with the first group’s designs or solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bike

RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Bill I would say “solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes or be an improvement by all other bikes” regardless of the logical/philosophical issue of Rivendells existing or nor. Also, I think most of us would agree “all other bikes” would the bikes you see in Trek st

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread Mathias Steiner
No, he's saying the most obvious departure from the mainstream -- if we need to define it, call it current gravel bikes and road bikes from Trek -- is the long chainstays. John H can correct me if necessary. My answer is it gets the panniers away from my heels, but 45 cm ones do that for me.

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread Eric Daume
If you want Riv's explanation, it's here: https://www.rivbike.com/pages/why-the-long-stays-chainstay-length Eric On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 8:02 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Bill > > > > I would say “solve some objective problem not addresse

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread William Lindsay
OK and these Treks and Fujis and Crusts don’t have to solve a problem because they conform with each other. OK, the objective problem with all those Treks Fujis and Crusts is none of those bikes ride like a bike with 50cm chain stays You are welcome. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito Ca. On Sun, Mar 31,

RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Eric Thanks for the RBW explanation. I vaguely remember it, but didn’t think he would increase then C/S so much I see Grant’s point: it’s more an improvement vs a problem solver. I see the ‘tall rider’ issue, longer seat tubes increase the saddle setback. However, I’m 5’6” and my fr

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread Jim M.
Jones and Esker are 2 makers who are bringing long wb to market. I'm sure there are others. jim m walnut creek, ca On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 5:32:54 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ wrote: > Eric > > > > Thanks for the RBW explanation. I vaguely remember it, but didn’t think

[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

2024-03-31 Thread Mathias Steiner
The conventional wisdom from decades ago -- so long that i forget the source -- is that the friction in a brake cable is a function of the bend angle of the wire and not the tightness of the bend or the length of the cable. This made intuitive sense to me and seems to be borne out by the 'feel'

[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

2024-03-31 Thread Steve
Joe - two different approaches to achieve the same goal! I'm borderline obsessive in setting my front and rear up with nearly equal pull. I bet there are a few other variations out there. Apologies Tim - back on topic -- are you going to give the roller a try? I'm curious to hear your impres