In light of insight Patrick offered below check out this fellow's bit of a minimalist and low budget adventure.
http://tomsbiketrip.com/how-far-can-you-go-on-a-10-touring-bike/ It was great to see all the Riv Entmoot pics. If this becomes an annual event, I gotta figure out a way to attend one. Back about a decade & a half ago when I had my Riv Road bike I recall sending an email to Grant suggesting a gathering of Riv bike owners. Paul in Dallas "Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com> Jul 16 12:48AM -0700 Oh, that's easy to learn. Take too little on an S24O. Survive anyway. Next time, you'll know what you need/want and know what is the minimal for you. I'm serious. This is basic survival trailing 101. No food but day snacks and only a pair of long johns (wool is best) and rain gear (what you should have with a good day pack). You'll be amazed how you do. I did this growing up. It hailed several inches and rained all night. No way to start a fire. Huddled and shivered in my plastic rain poncho on tree branches I'd cut down. Once you've done that, you realize where the lie is between need and want. Most of what I take is for comfort. And I don't take all that much. With abandon, Patrick" ----- Original Message ----- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To: Digest recipients Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:09 AM Subject: [Bulk] [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 23 updates in 8 topics Today's topic summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/topics a.. Entmoot tire recs - under biking results [4 Updates] b.. WTT: Regular Bullmoose for the Bosco Bullmoose [1 Update] c.. FS-Nitto Mini Front Rack, XD2 Single Speed Crankset [5 Updates] d.. Virtual Entmoot Ride Reports [3 Updates] e.. Ride Report: An account of my circumnavigation of the Great Lake Ontario on an A. Homer Hilsen. [2 Updates] f.. Link To My Entmoot Pictures [3 Updates] g.. Sign I need 1/8 Chain vs. 8-speed? [3 Updates] h.. Sam Hillborne brochure and silver tubes [2 Updates] Entmoot tire recs - under biking results Philip Williamson <philip.william...@gmail.com> Jul 15 10:07PM -0700 I rode C-lines on the singletrack at about 60 lbs. They worked pretty nicely. I stacked, but more due to the fixed gear, saddlebag, and poor handling skills than the tires. Slow speed endo into gravel. Philip www.biketinker.com Manuel Acosta <manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com> Jul 15 11:03PM -0700 Aaron killed it on the hetres. Most people flat riding over stickers with those tires.he did it big and totaly owed those trails. Less about the tire and more to be said about the rider. Picked great lines and rode light in the rough stuff. Chris Chen <cc...@nougat.org> Jul 15 11:11PM -0700 Awesome rider report. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Manuel Acosta < -- "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> Jul 16 06:57AM -0700 Ah, thanks for the kind words, Manny. I was just having fun and trying to keep up with you! :) Aaron Young The Dalles, OR WTT: Regular Bullmoose for the Bosco Bullmoose David Spranger <daspran...@gmail.com> Jul 16 06:56AM -0700 Greetings fellow Riv owners, I have what is essentially a "like new" Nitto Bullmoose bar with very few miles. I have owned it for about a year and have tried this bar on my SimpleOne a few times now. I always end up removing it because it just does not feel right for me. For what it's worth, when I take this bar on the trails it comes into its own and I definitely see the value. However, I don't ride trails enough to hold on to it. Time to admit that this bar is not suited to my riding habits. I am looking to trade it for the Bosco Bullmoose in similar condition. Anyone out there with one of these bars that they are not using and want to try the regular one? Thanks for looking, David Spranger Charlotte, NC FS-Nitto Mini Front Rack, XD2 Single Speed Crankset Michael Hechmer <mhech...@gmail.com> Jul 16 03:09AM -0700 There are two different racks in your photo stream; I assume you are selling the small canti rack. Michael On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 6:21:39 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> Jul 16 07:56AM -0400 Yes sir Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> Jul 16 08:34AM -0400 OK have to leave for work soon, want to ship today. Fire sale prices mini front 90 shipped, cranks $65! Thanks! Jim Bronson <jim.bron...@gmail.com> Jul 16 08:51AM -0500 I didn't see any pics of the mini rack on the link? Just some handlebars and cantilever brakes. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> wrote: -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> Jul 16 09:55AM -0400 Sorry all, the photo didnt upload I guess. The rack is sold. Still have the crankset available. Thanks all! Virtual Entmoot Ride Reports Manuel Acosta <manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com> Jul 15 11:11PM -0700 Hard to write how amazing this past weekend was. Lets say that it's amazing that a simple bike company and yet not so simple bike company can bring so many like-minded people together to create something fantastic. I'm truly grateful to have had the experience to meet folks I've only interacted online and how it natural and unforgettable it was to have ridden and talk to everyone at the Jamboree. There was talk to making this an annual thing. Sounds good. Count me in. Pictures prove that words can't describe the fun: https://flic.kr/s/aHsjZEVdX2 Manny "Let's do it again!" Acosta RJM <crccpadu...@gmail.com> Jul 16 04:51AM -0700 I think the TA trail goes through Marion, KY and Cave In Rock using the ferry that is there. I'm not sure if that is different than the original. It would be hard to get out of Paducah without resorting to a car though; the bridges are not bike friendly at all. On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:30:45 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: justinaug...@gmail.com Jul 16 06:16AM -0700 Making it an annual event would really take away the sting of being two weeks off in my moving plans! I say yes, please!! Justin, 2500 miles till Oakland. Ride Report: An account of my circumnavigation of the Great Lake Ontario on an A. Homer Hilsen. davidcha <davidch...@gmail.com> Jul 15 08:54AM -0700 Great report - looks like a fun ride! Pity about Toronto drivers though. Thanks for posting this. - Dave Trevor saxton <saxton...@gmail.com> Jul 16 03:30AM -0700 Great ride report, I've thought about doing a relaxed ride around the lake, over 4 or 5 days, this gives me a good route to start with. Maybe next summer. As a resident of Toronto and a native of the Niagara region, I agree that riding along the lakeshore is a much nicer and safer way to navigate the city on 2 wheels, and many opportunities exist to add mileage in the Hamilton Niagara area. Ps we are not all reckless drivers in Toronto, some of us are very considerate of cyclists, I could write a very long diatribe about how seemingly inexplicably a pro car, anti cyclist mayor got elected in a major urban centre, but that's likely best left to a politics forum. Link To My Entmoot Pictures hsmitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com> Jul 15 11:09PM -0700 Love the pictures. Wish I could put your face to the QB. I met so many folks. ~Hugh On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 6:39:38 AM UTC-7, LeeC wrote: Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com> Jul 16 12:48AM -0700 Oh, that's easy to learn. Take too little on an S24O. Survive anyway. Next time, you'll know what you need/want and know what is the minimal for you. I'm serious. This is basic survival trailing 101. No food but day snacks and only a pair of long johns (wool is best) and rain gear (what you should have with a good day pack). You'll be amazed how you do. I did this growing up. It hailed several inches and rained all night. No way to start a fire. Huddled and shivered in my plastic rain poncho on tree branches I'd cut down. Once you've done that, you realize where the lie is between need and want. Most of what I take is for comfort. And I don't take all that much. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:21:25 PM UTC-6, DS wrote: Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com> Jul 16 12:52AM -0700 Thank you to everyone who joined in and/or shared their ride reports of the China Camp Entmoot and the eMoots all around the country (world?)! What a great way to participate from afar for those of us who could not, for whatever reason, be there in person. An annual Entmoot and eMoot sounds fantastic! With abandon, Patrick Sign I need 1/8 Chain vs. 8-speed? hangtownmatt <hangtownm...@yahoo.com> Jul 15 09:16PM -0700 Hey guys - Chains don't stretch. They wear. Matt Chris Chen <cc...@nougat.org> Jul 15 09:34PM -0700 Well, the pins wear, so the chain... elongates? Stretch is more to the point I suppose. cc On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:16 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch < -- "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com> Jul 16 12:41AM -0700 I. S t r e t c h. Steel. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:16:41 PM UTC-6, hangtownmatt wrote: Sam Hillborne brochure and silver tubes Manuel Acosta <manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com> Jul 15 10:22PM -0700 Such an amazing catalogue. So well put together and amazing colors/photos. redsydude <thaus...@q.com> Jul 15 01:19PM -0700 This is Grant Petersen's contribution to an RBW thread titled "are Rivendell tubesets proprietary?" from a few weeks ago. Sounds like Silver tubes are newer than your Sam. "Nothing's proprietary here. Related to that, about 25 years ago the Eddy Merckx brochure listed specs for everything on the frames except head tube angle, which was "proprietary." The same era Gios frames listed frame sizes 48 thru 64, and every head and seat tube angle was 75 degrees. A while back we showed the new SILVER tube specs on cardboard. Tubing wall thicknesses matter at some level--if they're too thin, that's bad. It's really hard to derive anything useful from them. How much less does a 100mm length of 0.7 weigh than 0.8? Not much, and when you look at the meager gains in weight savings and the significant (I'd say, not everybody would) gains in strength, it's a good argument to go to 1.0, even. The new SILVER tubeset, which I haven't said much about because bragging about it makes it sound like I don't like normal butted tubes, and that's far, far off---but the SILVER is a single-butted tube. The downtube is 1.1 at the top end, has a long 70mm taper, and has an 0.8mm belly and no but (is 0.8) at the oppo-end. Somebody who doesn't get tubes would say single-butting is a short-cut. To my way of thinking, it's super smart and better (but not dramatically). You get 1.1 in the stressed area behind the head tube. The belly is 0.8, to resist twisting (talking about it overemphasizes it) and dents (more important if the bike falls over). THe 0.8 at the bb end is on the thin side, but this is a super low-stress area. The long butt on a long tube allows us to spec butt length according to frame size. This is a theoretical plus but a practical big nothing--- It would be easy to say, "We leave the butt long on big frames, cut it short on smallies," but that doesn't account for light tallies or short stockies. The controversial 2TT is a better way to upstrength the big frames, far more effective than a thicker tube. More heavy too, but another 7oz or so, I don't care. I looked at the weight savings of long vs short butts, and it was like--a fraction of an OUNCE. At that point, forget it. Leave 'em long. Sometimes people ask what BRAND of tube we use, and if I'm in a bad mood (twice only in many years), I replied with "Tell me what you know about Columbus SL vs Reynolds 531 vs Tange Prestige." Usually people know labels, not metallurgy. All the tube makers make good tubes, but a good tube is no guarantee of a good joint or frame. Years ago I'd have spend time on the spreadsheets, but I don't see the point now. It's not laziness or close-to-the vestness, as much as supplying numbers AS THOUGH they matter, AS THOUGH they are in and of themselves tellling, Then people who don't know what they mean feel bad, and who actually does know what they mean? 1.0mm sounds thick compared to 0,8mm, but it's still so thin. I like the 1,1 butts. They make more theoretical sense to me, and in a butt that's so short anyway (even our long ones), there's no time for it to get heavy. All the steel tube makers, I'm sure, list tube specs. I'm not sure they tell you much. Is eight-tenths of a millimeter too fat for the center portion of a downtube? I don't think so." On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:59:47 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
