[RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Deacon Patrick
I've been tempted, and haven't ridden a 29er+, but now that I have 2.25 tires on my Hunqapillar I really can't justify a second bike to have 29er+. Here's my experience: -- With 50mm Duremes I've ridden 200 miles of the Great Divide Mountain Bike trail, covering 40-70 miles a day, and far more

[RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I don't want to be negative, but... There are a number of leaps for Riv to make a 29+ bike while staying true to Riv's philosophy on aesthetics and commitment to certain types of designs. First, the bike would need to have disc brakes to use existing wide 622 rims, or a whole new 622x50ish rim

[RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Mike Schiller
It seems that the fatter tire +1 velolution continues to move forward. The ECR/Krampus bikes are a great design but have a few issues, as Jim mentioned. One big issue for me are the rear dropouts which are designed as a compromise between IGH and derailleur hubs. Singular Cycles also has a

[RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Mike
On Saturday, February 15, 2014 9:09:21 PM UTC-8, Clayton wrote: I have a serious drool going over the Surly ECR 29+ off road camping bike. Now, if Rivendell made such a bike, I would absolutely have to sell everything I own and get one. Hint Hint Grant? Perfect timing. I've had a serious

Re: [RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Patrick Moore
II think my Fargo will take 70s/2.75s, if those had existence; it will take 65s with fenders and room. A dimple or two in the chainstays, the fork a wee bit wider and I daresay it would take 3/76s -- in fact, they might just barely fit as is. And the Q of the XD2/X2D/whatever with a 113 mm bb

Re: [RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Deacon Patrick
I see a question to me there, Patrick, but the details are lost on me and even if I understood them I doubt I'd have a clue as it sounds like technical frame design well beyond my ken. But feel free to get me a custom Rivendel G.O. and I'll be happy to ride it. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On

Re: [RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Anne Paulson
What about the chain clearing the tire? The Krampus full bike is spec'ed as 1x10 because with a front derailleur there are issues about the chain hitting the tire. On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: II think my Fargo will take 70s/2.75s, if those had

Re: [RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Good point -- hadn't considered that. Must look at the clearance between granny and tire on the Fargo. On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: What about the chain clearing the tire? The Krampus full bike is spec'ed as 1x10 because with a front derailleur

Re: [RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Anne Paulson
When I was considering what to buy, I thought about buying a custom 29+ bike. I didn't, because I got the strong impression that custom builders don't, quite, know all the issues to consider when designing a 29+ bike yet, whereas Surly has developed a working model. On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:41

Re: [RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Mike
Surly makes the OD Crank which addresses this issue. It's the crank that the ECR, Pugs OP and Moonlander are spec'd with. And yeah, I can't see anyone making a rim brake 29+ although when RBW had a Pugsley it was set-up with cantis. The newer Pugs only have disc tabs. If I'm not mistaken, in

Re: [RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Anne Paulson
One thing I'm looking forward to with my Krampus is not replacing rims. I just had to replace the rear rim on my purple Atlantis yet again. On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Surly makes the OD Crank which addresses this issue. It's the crank that the ECR, Pugs OP

Re: [RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Mike Schiller
The lower BB on the ECR helps with the tire/chain clearance making it easier to run a double chain-ring setup. I'm still kinda surprised at the fear and superstition about the ECR BB drop. It's the same drop as a 700c Atlantis and Long Haul Trucker. People ride those with 40mm tires off road

Re: [RBW] Re: A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

2014-02-16 Thread Deacon Patrick
There are a number of worn down areas on trails with grasses on either side and a narrow track in a rut. I often had uphill peddling difficulty with my Hunqapillar at 5mm tires. We'll see how much difference 2.25 tires makes. The scenario where BB height is an issue is more common on single