Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-07 Thread Reed Kennedy
Good advice, to carry fresh patch glue! Nothing quite like trying to patch and finding the tube has gone solid. On that topic: Has anyone found a way to buy the little Rema tubes that actually fit inside the patch kit? All the ones I’ve found that are sold individually are larger (longer) than the

[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-06 Thread 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch
> > Back in the day, when I rode my mountain bike in the southern California > desert, goat heads were a constant problem. I finally retired a tube with > 23 patches on it. I found that Rema's with fresh glue (I buy a new tube of > glue every year, which reminds me...), works the best. Proper

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-05 Thread 'Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch
I have never been afraid to patch a front tube. Of course I almost always have flats occur on rear tires. I don't know about others, but I am 52 and am pretty sure I've only flatted a front tire a handful of times ever. Maybe I'm just lucky. I'm sure if I had ever ridden often in goathead countr

[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread lconley
I patch the tubes until the valve stem leaks at the tube junction, this seems to go before the tube rots. Patching the tube also lets you know where on the tire the puncture occurred. I always align the tire label with the valve stem. If it is not obvious where on the tire the puncture occurred

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Eric Norris
Spare tubes of cement are easy to find online. They’re sealed very well and will last forever until you puncture the end for the first use. --Eric N Twitter/Instagram/YouTube: @CampyOnlyGuy > On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:37 AM, George Schick wrote: > > I agree with all of the comments here about patch

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 10/04/2017 10:23 AM, lum gim fong wrote: Sounds permanent. Do you all use patched tubes on your front wheel? Feel safe enough for that? Absolutely. For anyone who's interested, Rivendell has a video in the articles section of their website teaching how to patch a tube. -- Steve Pal

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
When there's no more room. On 10/04/2017 01:28 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: I'm curious: at what number do others draw the line, and why? On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Greg J > wrote: ... I typically patch a tube 3x or 4x before I replace with a new one.

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 10/04/2017 01:33 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: There's a line? Grin. When the hole is bigger than the patch I toss the tube. Tubes last me a long time. So far they die one of two ways: poor install and I blow the tube when I first pump it up; the tire dies also, from glass. In my experienc

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Patrick Moore
I once stopped counting at 36 on a tube that must have been 10 years old ... Patrick "this is a very minor distinction, but it's all mine" Moore, who a year or 2 ago donated or sold his huge stash of Remas because he now uses *modern sealants!* On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Deacon Patrick wro

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Deacon Patrick
There's a line? Grin. When the hole is bigger than the patch I toss the tube. Tubes last me a long time. So far they die one of two ways: poor install and I blow the tube when I first pump it up; the tire dies also, from glass. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 11:28:11 AM

[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Philip Kim
like others have chimed yes i consider it a permanent fix, meaning i don't expect to have a problem with it again, unless the tube gets a problem elsewhere. i use park tools patch kit and its been fine. i even used it on an air mattress 4 years ago. still holds air. On Tuesday, October 3, 2017

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Patrick Moore
I'm curious: at what number do others draw the line, and why? On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Greg J wrote: > > ... I typically patch a tube 3x or 4x before I replace with a new one. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Greg J
Done right, I think the patch and the tube chemically become a single material -- I think the correct term may be "vulcanize." So it should be permanent. Now, if done in a rush, I've had the patch come off, but that's totally due to user error. I typically patch a tube 3x or 4x before I rep

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Garth
I used to repair tubes at the spot of the puncture, but now carry 2 spares and just put on another tube and repair it at home. Instead of using those silly tubes, I bought a 8 oz. can of Slime brand rubber cement from an auto parts store. Being a sealed can with applicator, you can use it all an

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread George Schick
I agree with all of the comments here about patching and patch types. One thing I've noticed lately, though, is that LBS's do not seem to be stocking vulcanizing cement anymore - you can still get small tubes of it, but you have to buy an entire patch kit including patches and that useless san

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread Deacon Patrick
Aye. I don’t even consider it a risk and have never experienced it as an issue. My spare tubes are patched, as that only makes sense in rotation with the “swap tubes, patch in controlled environment” system. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the G

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-04 Thread lum gim fong
Sounds permanent. Do you all use patched tubes on your front wheel? Feel safe enough for that? For anyone who's interested, Rivendell has a video in the articles section of their website teaching how to patch a tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-03 Thread Patrick Moore
My experience is that some "sanding" agent makes the patch more reliable; the "sanding" removes the mold release coating, I read. It's not for roughening the surface, and perhaps alcohol does as well -- I've not used it. At any rate, I myself would not apply a patch without sanding first. On Tue,

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-03 Thread 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch
I never had a patch fail until I tried a glueless patch. It lasted a week. I replaced it with another one and it lasted a day. I threw the rest of the pack away and am now back to "regular" patches. They're permanent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-03 Thread Eric Norris
Properly done (which isn’t hard—just keep the patch area clean), patches last forever. I’ve found that most of the problems I have had in the past are related to cheap innertubes, not cheap patches. Seems like patches don’t stick to cheap tubes. FWIW, I have had great results with patches and g

[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-03 Thread Philip Williamson
I've never heard that tire-patching is impermanent. Every time my patching job has failed, it's been apparent right away. Patches last for years and years. I've sealed a few tiny holes with Stan's sealant inside the tube, instead of by patching. So far so good on two out of three tries. These t

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-03 Thread Peter White
Yes. Done per the instructions, 100% success. I've never tried the glue-less types. PJW On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Kainalu V. wrote: > Yes, but you gotta do it right. Steve P. mentioned sandpaper in another > thread, used to rough up the surface, which I think also acts to take off > whate

[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-03 Thread Deacon Patrick
Nothing is a permanent fix. Grin. Your tubes will eventually need replacing. However, for all practical purposes, yes. Patches are a permanent fix. I've ridden patched tires for years and keep patching them until I can't. They do not flat more often, and so long as I patch them correctly, the p

[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-03 Thread Kainalu V.
Yes, but you gotta do it right. Steve P. mentioned sandpaper in another thread, used to rough up the surface, which I think also acts to take off whatever oxidation might hinder adhesion. After I've glued and applied the patch, I "spread" my patch like butter on the edges using my finger and a

[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

2017-10-03 Thread Garth
It's permanent and reliable when done correctly, not if not. I like anyone who rides patched tubes do so for the life of the tube, which can be a very long while ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this g