Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/01/2013 07:48 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote: Steve, Seriously I've been using the iris cages now for two months with kleen kanteens and admit they are a stiff pull, but in those two months I've become use to them. I have never attempted to pull the third one bottom of down tube while riding a

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Hugh Smitham
Steve, Seriously I've been using the iris cages now for two months with kleen kanteens and admit they are a stiff pull, but in those two months I've become use to them. I have never attempted to pull the third one bottom of down tube while riding as I believe you would need to have the flexibilit

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/01/2013 07:12 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: I know I keep contradicting Steve, but it's all in good sport. Just this afternoon on my errand out and back, I deliberately tried pulling a standard 28 oz Rivendell bottle from an Iris and doing so at an upward angle; no problem for me, though I agr

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Patrick Moore
I know I keep contradicting Steve, but it's all in good sport. Just this afternoon on my errand out and back, I deliberately tried pulling a standard 28 oz Rivendell bottle from an Iris and doing so at an upward angle; no problem for me, though I agree that the more flexible Butterfly and Retro cag

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/01/2013 06:59 PM, hsmitham wrote: Steve, >I like being able to get the bottles out while I am riding, and I >couldn't do that with the King Iris, and god knows I tried. -more beer curls will help :-) That wouldn't help: you have to pull straight out to extract a bottle from a King Iri

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread hsmitham
Steve, >I like being able to get the bottles out while I am riding, and I >couldn't do that with the King Iris, and god knows I tried. -more beer curls will help :-) ~Hugh > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubsc

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Donald Lee
Thanks Chris. I'll pick up an Iris next time I'm in Walnut Creek. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.c

[RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Zack
Iris cages are, in my experience, the best for carrying kleen kanteen insulated bottles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+un

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Patrick Moore
No, no, no: my point is that you CAN and even MUST compare them in regard of this use, in which case you will choose the Iris and not the Butterfly. I've no problem getting bottles out of my 5 Iris cages -- better work on that forearm and grip strength. Patrick Moore, who is being deliberately pe

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/01/2013 02:13 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: Well, they are comparable for the use of heavy bottles, right? No. You should NOT put heavy bottles into the Nitto Butterfly, It's totally unsuited. As you well know. At any rate, I prefer a duller finish with worry free strength than shiny an

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Well, they are comparable for the use of heavy bottles, right? At any rate, I prefer a duller finish with worry free strength than shiny and cool with less strength. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On 08/01/2013 01:58 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > >> I've used the Nitto bu

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/01/2013 01:58 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: I've used the Nitto butterfly cages, the VO similars as well as the VO retros, and the King Irises, and I've managed to break two Nittos and (IIRC) one VO but never a King, even with almost 30 oz double wall steel bottles (= long and heavy). The King

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Patrick Moore
I've used the Nitto butterfly cages, the VO similars as well as the VO retros, and the King Irises, and I've managed to break two Nittos and (IIRC) one VO but never a King, even with almost 30 oz double wall steel bottles (= long and heavy). The King's don't look as shiny but IMO they are the best

[RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Lynne Fitz
You buy the King cages when your VO cages break. Like both of mine. Although, if I could weld aluminum, or whatever it is you do, they could be repaired. On Monday, May 20, 2013 6:08:56 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: > > Finally a nice wire cage that keeps bottles from falling out the side. > Nitto

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Ryan
Oh...sorry that's not mine...haven't posted mine...that is Cyclotourist's bike:) He often posts here and is the owner of a very lovely pair of blue rivendells..an A/R and a Road. Mine is Harvest Gold...have been swapping some things out and the Ciussis..which do work...may be replaced by those

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-07-31 Thread cyclotourist
Heart shaped cage. On 7/31/13, Christopher Chen wrote: > Yes, yes they are! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9131448186/ > > The naming of the cage is interesting. The company is King Cage, or > Andrews, and the cage is an Iris. > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Donald Lee wrote: > >

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-07-31 Thread Christopher Chen
Yes, yes they are! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9131448186/ The naming of the cage is interesting. The company is King Cage, or Andrews, and the cage is an Iris. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Donald Lee wrote: > Is this King cage a good fit for the standard or insulated Klean Kan

[RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-07-31 Thread Donald Lee
Is this King cage a good fit for the standard or insulated Klean Kanteen? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@google

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-07-31 Thread Ron Mc
I'd already outfitted my bikes with V-O Moderniste, but the King cage is a good deal. Ryan, your bike is gorgeous - what is your saddle? On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:08:18 PM UTC-5, Ryan wrote: > > I have those Ciussi Elite aluminun cages w the plastic buttons. I think I > want something mo

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-07-31 Thread Ryan
I have those Ciussi Elite aluminun cages w the plastic buttons. I think I want something more grown-up (restrained and tasteful). I never really warmed to the $50.00+ Nitto cages... totally an exception, not the rule for Nitto. If Nitto ever made a complete group ,I'd beg,borrow or steal to h

[RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-21 Thread William
With an excellent Toy Dolls accompaniment to the "how it's made" video. Blast from the past for many of us children of the 80s On Monday, May 20, 2013 6:08:56 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: > > Finally a nice wire cage that keeps bottles from falling out the side. > Nitto-esque bottle cages at RBW on

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Huh. My first aid kit is pine needle dust or fresh smoked pipe ash, spit, swiss army knife, and a bandana. Anything more serious than that and I need an ER anyway. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:46:52 AM UTC-6, bobish wrote: > > Nothing wrong with treating that "under do

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-21 Thread bobish
Nothing wrong with treating that "under downtube" cage as storage for an extra water bottle which is then swapped with one of the more convenient empties at the next pit stop. The under downtube cage is also great for non-hydration useā€”such as first aid kit, etc. I usually use it for a multi-bik

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Practice, Steve, practice. What, do you expect everything to be easy?! Seriously, I have no problem. But then, I'm very talented. Patrick "Serious?" Moore On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Great for third bottle, under the downtube use, but for me just about > impossi

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 20:17 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: > Hooray for Rivendell for carrying this great MUSA product. I've moved > from Nitto to King Iris cages on all my bikes over the last few years > and absolutely love them! > Great for third bottle, under the downtube use, but for me just abou

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-20 Thread cyclotourist
Hooray for Rivendell for carrying this great MUSA product. I've moved from Nitto to King Iris cages on all my bikes over the last few years and absolutely love them! Cheers, David On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 19:37 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

[RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-20 Thread Michael
> > Actually, it isn't exactly "cheap". > You can get regular cages for like 7 bucks at LBS's. But, if you want a wire cage that don't let the bottle fall out the side, then, comparitively speaking, except for Lyzene brand that has one like this, it is cheap. -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-20 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 19:37 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > And, from my experience with Nittos and VOs, the Kings are much > sturdier and hold bottles better. Especially if you want to overload the cages with extremely large, heavy stainless steel bottles. Also, the King Iris is by far the best ca

Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-20 Thread PATRICK MOORE
And, from my experience with Nittos and VOs, the Kings are much sturdier and hold bottles better. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Ron Mc wrote: > Very nice cage. Similar cages are the Nitto Racer and the V-O Moderniste. > Price is right on the King version - a fraction of the Nitto. > > On Mo

[RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-20 Thread Brewster Fong
On Monday, May 20, 2013 6:27:50 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: > > Very nice cage. Similar cages are the Nitto Racer and the V-O Moderniste. > Price is right on the King version - a fraction of the Nitto. > Agree, I've been using the standard King cages for many, many years. At about $18 each, it

[RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-05-20 Thread Ron Mc
Very nice cage. Similar cages are the Nitto Racer and the V-O Moderniste. Price is right on the King version - a fraction of the Nitto. On Monday, May 20, 2013 8:08:56 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: > > Finally a nice wire cage that keeps bottles from falling out the side. > Nitto-esque bottle cag