On Jun 8, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Jan Heine wrote:
>> I think there's a better chance I'll be
>> struck on the head by a meteorite than that we'll live to see the pro
>> peloton switch to 650B.
>
> That is why I said: "From a purely technical perspective..."
>
> However, things can change. In the 1980
Strange, from my personal riding perspective, I've come to prefer wider (37
to 40mm) 700C tires. Whereas, my attempt at liking 650B was so sub-optimal
I shall refrain from trying again.
The handling seems to work best for me with those tires. And there are
sufficient tires (and bikes) available
> I think there's a better chance I'll be
> struck on the head by a meteorite than that we'll live to see the pro
> peloton switch to 650B.
That is why I said: "From a purely technical perspective..."
However, things can change. In the 1980s, bicycle tourists were told
to use 27" wheels, because
On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 14:33 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:
> On Jun 8, 9:13 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> wrote:
> >
> > But cumulatively, over time, there are lots of little improvements that add
> > up to better products. The MTB arena seems to be more open to innovation
> > and experimentation.
On Jun 8, 9:13 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
>
> But cumulatively, over time, there are lots of little improvements that add
> up to better products. The MTB arena seems to be more open to innovation and
> experimentation. It's hard to imagine that 622 might someday be challenged as
>
On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 13:17 -0700, William wrote:
> I'm happy that the 650B explosion will make it easier for me to buy an
> inner tube at more shops.
Every bike shop in the USA carries tubes that fit 650B, I believe. In
some brands, it's 559x1.25-1.5, others it's 559x1.5-1.75.
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I'm personally not that interested in the next wave of mountain bikes. I'm
happy that the 650B explosion will make it easier for me to buy an inner
tube at more shops. I hope that means I'll have even more choices in
tires, but I'm not counting on a good 35mm road tire or a good 42mm knobby.
On Jun 8, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> On Jun 8, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Peter Pesce wrote:
>
>> Great read. I was really struck by the herd mentality evident in the
>> commentary - the almost palpable desperation for something, anything, "new"
>> to sell to a saturated market, offset
650B *explosion* ?
I missed the bang !! ;-) lol
I don't see many bike, rims or tires for it . . . still . .. after all
these years.
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Not wanting to start a thing here but please dont compare Grant to Jobs,
one is an innovator who ASKS people to trust him along for the ride while
Jobs was more of a TELL you kind of person who said you would be sorry if
you didnt listen to him, and most who didnt were, unfortunately. Corporate
cu
On Jun 8, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Peter Pesce wrote:
> Great read. I was really struck by the herd mentality evident in the
> commentary - the almost palpable desperation for something, anything, "new"
> to sell to a saturated market, offset by the terror of being first, and maybe
> getting hung ou
On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
> I'd say 650B is the first true innovation, if you can call it that, in
> mountain bike wheel size. The 559 standard is only standard because that was
> the size of the old ballooners favored by the MTB pioneers 30-some years ag
On Jun 7, 3:19 pm, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Yeah, I scanned for that too, not a mention of Grant or Jan. I guess the
> focus was on the hammerhead scene though so "touring" bikes werent relevant
> to the discussion.
I don't see it as having anything to do with hammerheads or touring
bikes - the con
I'd say 650B is the first true innovation, if you can call it that, in mountain
bike wheel size. The 559 standard is only standard because that was the size of
the old ballooners favored by the MTB pioneers 30-some years ago, not because
559 has magical properties. Then somebody thought it was a
Great read. I was really struck by the herd mentality evident in the
commentary - the almost palpable desperation for something, anything, "new"
to sell to a saturated market, offset by the terror of being first, and
maybe getting hung out to dry if you end up being the only!
It is such a star
Same of automotive interests; the majority are well-served by
appliance-quality offerings. Alleged enthusiasts are often narrow of
interst or exposure. Many self described performance auto buffs would
have would be amazed by a personal tour of car with a modern in-line
six with variable DOHC and ot
Specialized was reticent of the "29er" movement and while late to the
game, was clearly working out issues or R & D near the end of their
public hesitation. The have supply chain needs that make them less
than agile in response to changes in the enthusiast/customer base
norms. They have a large de
"650b—An uphill climb for a downhill tire" would be pretty appropriate
considering what I have been reading on it.
On Jun 7, 2012 11:51 PM, "cyclotourist" wrote:
> That was a good read, thanks for passing it along.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:35 PM, dougP wrote:
>
>> I think Grant's a bit too
That was a good read, thanks for passing it along.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:35 PM, dougP wrote:
> I think Grant's a bit too classy to gloat, but the T-shirt idea has
> some charm. I have the one that states "Still lugged steel;
> vindication will come. Just you wait."
>
> Maybe "650B: a 20th
I think Grant's a bit too classy to gloat, but the T-shirt idea has
some charm. I have the one that states "Still lugged steel;
vindication will come. Just you wait."
Maybe "650B: a 20th century idea, recently re-discovered"
dougP (confused enough by 700c & 26")
On Jun 7, 12:35 pm, Seth Vidal
On Thursday, June 7, 2012 2:43:49 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 13:33 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:
> >
> > Oh, and I couldn't help but laugh when I read that 650B wheels were
> > used on "French cruiser and city bikes." I guess the wonderful
> > randonneur bikes of the
On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 13:33 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> Oh, and I couldn't help but laugh when I read that 650B wheels were
> used on "French cruiser and city bikes." I guess the wonderful
> randonneur bikes of the 1950s look like "cruiser bikes" to modern
> mountain bike journalists!
>
You are
unfortunately, the thing I was hoping for... a new 650Bx 40 to 45mm knobby
tire isn't in anyone's comments. The closest thing is the Kenda Karma at
50mm. Hopefully they will run small.
~mike
On Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:49:43 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Detailed article on the spread of
On Jun 7, 12:51 pm, pb wrote:
> Absolutely fascinating set of comments on that web page! I was very
> interested by the reticence of Specialized -- I thought their response that
> dealers wouldn't want to stock three wheel sizes was reasonable and
> pragmatic, if a bit conservative ... but those
Absolutely fascinating set of comments on that web page! I was very
interested by the reticence of Specialized -- I thought their response that
dealers wouldn't want to stock three wheel sizes was reasonable and
pragmatic, if a bit conservative ... but those folks are very smart.
Did I reall
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:32 PM, John Speare wrote:
> Actually – best quote in there from Mike Ferrentino (Santa Cruz) is about
> GP:
>
>
>
> “…Another thing to consider – IF this takes off, does anyone realize how
> much crow the industry is going to have to eat listening to grant petersen
> sayin
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Seeing the three wheel sizes next to each other, particularly with tires
mounted, shows that 650B is way closer to 26" than 29". I would guess that
the vast majority of riders would not notice the difference if you were to
swap their wheels from 26" to 650B and back and not tell them. It all g
Yeah, I scanned for that too, not a mention of Grant or Jan. I guess the
focus was on the hammerhead scene though so "touring" bikes werent relevant
to the discussion.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Liesl wrote:
> Funny that Riv/Grant, who it's fair to say started the whole dang thing,
> isn't
Funny that Riv/Grant, who it's fair to say started the whole dang thing,
isn't mentioned at all (at least in my cursory review)
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