Hi Jeremy,
I checked the Riv geometry chart:

Clem L has HT angle 71 or 71.5. The front center for Cheviot and Clem L of 
comparable size are very close.

Shoji
Arlington MA


On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> I've also noticed that myself and have wondered about it. I'm not sure of 
> GP's original design intention but my guess is that the consistency comes 
> from the fact that the Rivendell mixtes are the only lugged mixtes in 
> production, and thus their lugs are the only ones available. The upper head 
> lug, which would be mixte-specific, probably is only made in one set of 
> angles, so increasing the HTA would correspondingly reduce standover 
> height. This also probably explains why on smaller sizes the middle set of 
> stays don't form a straight line with the top tube. The cost to try a new 
> set of angles or have size-specific geometry would thus be high (new lug 
> molds) and probably leads to a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach, 
> at least with these models. You don't hear a lot of customers complaining 
> about the handling of their cheviots.
>
> Do the lugless Riv step throughs (Clem L and the various Rosco mixtes) 
> have different head angles?
>

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