Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread robert zeidler
I have a Civia Bryant w/ IGH. I bought it as a winter/commuter kind of experiment. It weighs a ton, but th weight mostly disappears once it gets rolling. Shifting takes some getting used to. I think Grant has something other than looks in mind here, but he's also loving the conjecture-it's fun,

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread Joe Bernard
Many people like them for the simplified shifting - no cog/chainring jumping - plus the ability to downshift while stopped. I am one of those people. My derailer bikes are swell, but I like my Nexus-hubbed Electra Amsterdam a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
You certainly COULD set up this bike with an IGH, but it appears to have all the usual provisions for a rear derailleur (DT shifter boss, chainstay cable mount). IMO, people buy IGHs for all the wrong reasons - i.e. the mythical "no-maintenance drivetrain" that tends to appeal to non-mechanica

RE: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Morgano
; *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *William > *Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2011 5:19 PM > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) > > I'm not completely convinced about t

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Morgano
Whoa horizontal drops, 4 seat stays, brazed on derailuer hanger, it is an odd bike for sure. On Dec 5, 2011 4:31 PM, "Joe Bernard" wrote: > It exists, I am bewildered. I can't figure out the reason for the > assymetrical diagatubes in the rear triangle, or what those D-shaped > braze-ons are for.

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard
I think "Grant's opposition to IGH" is not a current sentiment. His tastes have evolved some in recent years, and IGH has grown immensely in popularity in that time as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this disc

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread cyclotourist
The horizontals make me think IGH more than anything else. It's the only Rivendell bike to have them (other than custom), which is significant. What's he doing in there...? On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < thill@gmail.com> wrote: > Grant has voiced opposition

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Grant has voiced opposition to IGHs before, and nothing about this suggests this will be a dedicated IGH bike. This one appears to lack the Rohloff OEM mount, as well as the ISCG tab for a Hammerschmidt crank (HS?). No anchor point for the Schlumpf either. The horizontal dropout with derailleur

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread James Warren
ups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) I think an Alfine is more in line with a production IGH bike Rivendell would produce: It's more "105 level" to the Rohloff's "Dura-Ace" expensiveness. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard
I think an Alfine is more in line with a production IGH bike Rivendell would produce: It's more "105 level" to the Rohloff's "Dura-Ace" expensiveness. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visi

RE: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Of Joe Bernard Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:58 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) The Rohloff takes a dedicated dropout. Does anyone see anything like that here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &quo

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard
The Rohloff takes a dedicated dropout. Does anyone see anything like that here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Kful_xIupDgJ. To po

RE: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:45 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) Actually, we see one dt shifter boss on the right side, and the "D-shaped thingy" seems to block a front derailer placement. I've been expecting an IGH bike from Rivendell

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard
Actually, we see one dt shifter boss on the right side, and the "D-shaped thingy" seems to block a front derailer placement. I've been expecting an IGH bike from Rivendell..I think this is it. I assume a cassette-plus-rear-derailer option will be available. You could made that with a Schlumpf D

RE: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
orizontal drops and derailleur hanger? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:19 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS) I&#

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Horace
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:18 PM, William wrote: > > I'm trying to take a clue from the horizontal rear dropout WITH a rear > derailer tab.  Horizontal implies we're moving the wheel around, but the > derailer tab implies we wont have to move the wheel around to take up chain > slack.  I wonder... >

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread William
I'm not completely convinced about the carry strap being a slam dunk since the downtube thingy splits the two water bottle braze ons. If that's what it is then you could run a strap OR a water bottle, but not both. I'm trying to take a clue from the horizontal rear dropout WITH a rear derail

Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Ray Shine
I agree about the carry strap D-rings. Grant has talked about those before. I wonder if the left chainstay middie is positioned that way to accommodate a side-mount trailer hitch? Or, one of those heavy duty stay-mounted kickstands used for loaded tourers? F

RE: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
D-shaped braze-ons have to be anchor points for a carrying strap -- see Grant's Atlantis in the Staph Bikes post, which has one made of what looks like rim tape. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe