Re: [RDA-L] Apocrypha

2011-11-11 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Armin Stephan wrote: snip The work Genesis is the work genesis. I see no need for any qualifier at all. (AACR cataloguers use to qualify everything. German cataloging tradition shows, that it is possible to use less qualifiers.) /snip I would just like to

Re: [RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-09 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On 08/11/2011 22:15, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: snip Kind of off topic, but curious why you don't think relator codes are the right thing to do. If we're listing 3 or 5 or 10 people or entities 'responsible' for an artistic work, why wouldn't we want to be able to say the nature/role of each

Re: [RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-09 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On 08/11/2011 22:21, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip See Chicago Manual of Style 14th ed. 16.35-38. Up to three authors may be given, but only the first is given in inverted order. Sounds like a main entry to me. One has to choose one to invert. Beyond three, only the first is given. (Entry under

Re: [RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-08 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Hal Cain wrote: snip However, once I began to see how competent systems handled MARC, it became plain that what they were doing was basically to create a matrix and populate it with the tag values, the indicator values, and the subfield data prefixed by the

Re: [RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-07 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Bernhard Eversberg wrote: snip Jim, ISO2709 is a nuisance, agreed. And I dislike it no less than you do because I'm a real programmer and know what it feels like. But don't let's get carried away and rush to premature conclusions with inappropriate metaphors.

Re: [RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-07 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Bernhard Eversberg wrote: snip Jim, my point is, in nuce: Yes, MARC is horrible, but ISO is not the reason. You wrote: With ISO2709, it is designed to transfer a complete catalog record from one catalog into another catalog. Yes, but Web services on

Re: [RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-07 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Bernhard Eversberg wrote: snip But be that as it may, my point is that even for this function, it is no longer technically necessary. For all intents and purposes, MARC may live on forever without the need to deal with ISO2709. It is technically obsolete, but

Re: [RDA-L] NISO offers itself as the standards body for future format

2011-11-03 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Bernhard Eversberg wrote: snip Help with the creation of a new format would be great. What the library world needs here is, of course, an indefinite term commitment. And what we also need is a free and open standard, or else we can forget everything about

Re: [RDA-L] Radical proposal for RDA inclusions

2011-10-28 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Bernhard Eversberg wrote: snip I see two big issues here (among many more lesser ones) that should not be taken too lightly: 1. MARC as input standard has made sure that it was (more or less) the same everywhere. Someone trained at X could go to work at Y

Re: [RDA-L] Super MARC to code RDA?

2011-09-30 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Kevin M Randall wrote: snip By one catalog, are you referring to that little thing I keep bringing up, the Ex Libris Voyager system? That is one product, but many thousands of catalogs around the world. (Including a catalog at this quaint place you may have

Re: [RDA-L] libraries, society and RDA

2008-11-03 Thread Jim Weinheimer
Casey Mullin wrote: I am encouraged at where this thread has turned this evening... Shawne's comments about continuing to create catalogs are apt. What I've come to realize in the past few years is that it's not the fundamental intellectual activity of catalogers which is in danger of

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR user tasks (was: Alternatives to AACR2/MARC21?)

2008-10-24 Thread Jim Weinheimer
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rhonda Marker Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:29 PM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR user tasks (was: Alternatives to AACR2/MARC21?)