Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-27 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
26.11.2012 17:08, James Weinheimer: .. an interesting question: Has Dublin Core failed? While it certainly can't be claimed a success, it has been folded into other initiatives, e.g. OAI and RDFa. Yet it has not been taken up by many organizations. Although having been the aim of the project:

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
A good tutorial on RDF graphs can be found here: http://www.linkeddatatools.com/semantic-web-basics. One can see the same kind of entity, attribute and relationship structure as in FRBR, but here is is all structured by relationships in the form of statements (or triples), and arranged in graph

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-26 Thread Adger Williams
Anyway, I really don't like this speculating around in this list with no input from those who should know more and might easily resolve errors in our wild guesses. Can this be called a discussion list? It is rather another Speakers' Corner, inconsequential at the end of the day. Not the first time

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-26 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
26.11.2012 12:17, James Weinheimer: Let's face it: the FRBR structure is bizarre and difficult even for trained catalogers to grasp. ... and to apply consistently end efficiently. The FRBR user tasks are from an earlier time, and in any case, the public hasn't been able to do them since keyw

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-26 Thread James Weinheimer
On 11/26/2012 09:53 AM, Bernhard Eversberg wrote: A lot of speculation. We have to simply ask for the reasoning that resulted in the draft as it is. Maybe - another speculation - they came to the conclusion (after studying Jim Weinheimer's musings, for instance) that WEMI is impracticable or not

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-26 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 26.11.2012 09:43, schrieb Heidrun Wiesenmüller: But I still find it very hard to accept that BIBFRAME in its first draft (if I understand it correctly) doesn't seem to accommodate for modeling a work in the abstract FRBR sense - at least not in the bibliographic part of BIBFRAME. Perhaps it w

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-26 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Thomas Brenndorfer said: In several early chapters in RDA there is only a thin blue line separating the movement from manifestation attributes to item attributes, and from work attributes to expression attributes. For an example of a boundary, see the blue separator "Other Identifying Attribu

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-25 Thread Adam L. Schiff
One of the first things I noticed was the example that showed "Tunnel books" as a subject. While this may reflect (incorrect) MARC 21 coding as 650, the resource/work being described is clearly not ABOUT tunnel books, it IS a tunnel book. The correct MARC coding of course would be either 655

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-25 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
24.11.2012 11:37, Heidrun Wiesenmüller: ... BIBFRAME simply _must_ be able to model RDA data in the necessary granularity and specificity. That should indeed go without saying. And besides, it ought to be integrated with RDA documentation as well, so as to enable linking in both directions.

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-24 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
tion and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller > Sent: November 24, 2012 5:37 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced > > This is indeed rather unsettling. > > Funnily enough, th

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-24 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
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Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-23 Thread Robert Maxwell
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Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-23 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Posted to Bibframe: >http://www.loc.gov/marc/transition/pdf/marcld-report-11-21-2012.pdf  Creative Work - a resource reflecting a conceptual essence of the cataloging item.  Instance - a resource reflecting an individual, material embodiment of the Work.  Authority - a resource reflecting