Re: [RE-wrenches] general contractors taking a cut...

2009-02-02 Thread Max
I second Peters advice on the pre-leins - I'm surprised how many subs don't pre-lein projects.. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Peter Parrish Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:47 PM To: '

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread jay peltz
Make it short and sweet. Take your 10 lb sledge, and break off the pipe at the ground. Then walk away. That should work well. jay peltz power ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & setti

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small Generators=waste of $

2009-02-02 Thread jay peltz
I use a Honda EU 2000 as my only generator. It only gets around 2 tanks a year on it. However in terms of fuel efficiency, you can't beat the ecothrottle units ( honda, yamaha, )just amazing, better than diesel, and way better than propane. But really only good for small usage. If you are

Re: [RE-wrenches] online NEC book?

2009-02-02 Thread Kirk Herander, VSE
Thanks to those who helped me out. I had a stickler inspector to deal with. For instance, he interpreted all inverters (-8- SunnyBoy 7000 watt) to require a grounding electrode connected from each inverter chassis to building steel. Anybody else required to do this out there? The good thing is fina

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small Generators=waste of $

2009-02-02 Thread robert ellison
After 15 years i recommend the small ones only for emergency use if there is nothing else to do the job. In most cases they will go a tolerabe job of charging but when a large load kicks on it gets real funky fast and the inverters will probably kick it off if adjusted well. I have a couple myself

Re: [RE-wrenches] general contractors taking a cut...

2009-02-02 Thread Peter Parrish
In my experience of six years, we have had to "do business" with a GC or other intermediary three times. We haven't had a real problem, other than slow payment. There have been other times where a 3rd party received some sort of management fee from the client, but that iwas not part of our contract

Re: [RE-wrenches] general contractors taking a cut...

2009-02-02 Thread Max
My experience over the years as an electrical contractor is that GC's charge the owner 15% to manage your sub trade. Over the years we've done mostly large scale electrical. When entering the Solar industry in 1999 we started doing residential with a few commercial installs. The same rule applied

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Voltage Alarm Based on cell phone text message

2009-02-02 Thread Peter Parrish
Thank you everyone for your input. The client has confirmed that there is a good Wireless Router signal at the site and has asked us to look at (1) an email notification and (2) web browser interface. Right now we have specified a Blue Sky Energy Solar boost 3024i. They have an auxiliary outpu

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread roger dixon
Good tactic. Roger Dixon Skylands Renewable Energy, LLC 908.337.2057 cell 908.730.6474 fax roger.di...@att.net From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:01 PM To: r...@

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread Allan Sindelar
Ryan, You have answered your own questions. 1) "he has been a very high maintenance customer". Been there, done that, even fired a few HMCs over the years. 2) "i can waive the labor cost and tell him to find someone else at this point". Do it. One more suggestion: You have received a consistent

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small Generators=waste of $

2009-02-02 Thread Drake Chamberlin
This is for backup use only. These would not be used for off grid systems. We have a lot of cloudy days in Appalachian Ohio, and PV backup systems need help. In a worst case scenario year, the generator might run 20 hours or so. I was once accused (and acquitted) of burning our the controls

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread roger dixon
Unless you have deep pockets and enjoy walking on the edge of financial disaster, run. Run now. Run long. Run hard, .. Or, take a sledge hammer to the base of the cast iron pipe, break it off even with ground level and start over with a new footing and correctly spec'd pipe. Better to avert di

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread Glenn Burt
Our engineer has told us that filling a pipe with concrete (for a pole mount application) is not strengthening it. As soon as the wind blows & the pipe bends/twists the concrete begins to break up inside, making it useful only as a water wick. We did a few this way, but ultimately stopped (con

[RE-wrenches] Maxing out the roof

2009-02-02 Thread Andrew Truitt
Greetings! First off, thanks to Allan, Brian and Peter for your input on the external disconnect signage - I won! We're having a UV rated plastic sign made right now. I'm interested in hearing what company's policies are regarding filling a roof with solar. I have always advocated for a 2-3' p

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread robert ellison
Don't know how to do it gracefully but I would refuse to install it untill the pipe met spec. I don't think putting rerod in it and filling it with concrete would help. Have him re-do it or don't touch it with a 10' pole. Have you spoken to DPW, for suggestions? At least they can back your opinion.

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread Bill Brooks
Ryan, I agree with Roy, if you install the PV system on that cast iron pipe, without any engineering to back it up, you might as well pull out a pistol and shoot yourself today and get it over with. Unless the wind never blows where you live, another hole needs to be bored and a the correct Sch

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread Dana
RUNNN! Cast iron pipe was developed for on purpose, to carry sewage and PV is not sewage. Thanks - Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc www.solarwork.com E - d...@solarwork.com V - 970.626.5253 F - 970.626.4140 C - 970.209.4076 "I'd put my money on solar energy. I hope we don't

[RE-wrenches] Small Generators=waste of $

2009-02-02 Thread Dana
I place Coleman, Generac, North-star and a lot of the small 3600 RPM generators in the wasted $ column. Too many problems, short life, bad wave form, lack of real service, and basically a fine waste of money. I have clients that could not afford a good water cooled generator that have not been thro

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread Aram Alexander
Hey guys I do a lot of ground mounts, and Top Of Pole is one of our main type of installs DP& W our top of the line products, but they are only warranting the RACK, they are suggesting the footing and pole size YOU should always get a LOCAL engineer to engineer the Pole size and footing

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread Carl Hansen
I wouldn't put an array this size on that pipe, even if he signs a waiver. You'll be cleaning up the mess. Other folks will see the install and think that's the way its done. If you have to do it for some reason, put a few long lengths of rebar in it and fill it with concrete. And get a signe

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread Phil Undercuffler
You know how to break cast iron pipe in a clean break flush with the ground? Hit it with a hammer. It snaps clean off, flush with the ground. Works with clay pipe too. Concrete may provide additional strength in a compressive mode, but has nearly zero strength in tensile (stretching) mode. Roy

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread Wind-sun.com
A few years ago I saw a similar installation where the clamping bolts on the mount itself shattered the (very brittle) cast iron pipe that had been used at the top. Be afraid.. be very afraid... .. N

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread penobscotsolar
Ryan, I would be very wary. If DP&W says it is engineered for Sched.40 steel then that is what it is most likely warrantied for. I don't do anything that would void a manufacturers warranty. After 21 years in this business it is one of the most important things I've learned. If DP&W will warrant

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
Filling the pipe with concrete would strengthen it quite a bit but will also cause condensation on the outside during a lot of the year. Did I mention that pouring concrete from a half full 5 gallon pail while on a ladder is a real pain. Jim Duncan North Texas Renewable Energy Inc 817.917.0527

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small Generators

2009-02-02 Thread Dan Fink
Hi Drake -- The biggest problems we see up here with small, inexpensive generators like Coleman are from altitude. Our community is at 8200 feet elevation, and on many such generators there is simply no adjustment on these machines to make them run well at this elevation (as per our local gen

Re: [RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread Roy Butler
Ryan, Run away now.that cast iron has no ductile strength. Wind loading from that really big "sail" will snap that pole. He would have to guy wire it to make it even somewhat feasible but I would not mention that to him! Good luck with that. Roy Butler NABCEP Certified Solar PV Instal

[RE-wrenches] dpw top of pole mount pipe problems

2009-02-02 Thread ryan
Wrenches i have a customer that wanted to install a dpw top of pole mount for 18 sharp 180 watt panels. he installed his own pipe and even after several reminders by me and a signed contract stating shcedule 80 8 inch steel pipe he installed a 8 inch cast iron water main. My dilemma is this he

[RE-wrenches] Small Generators

2009-02-02 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Hello Wrenches, Has anyone had problems with small generators, creating problems with electrical or electronic equipment? I'd like to incorporate Coleman Powermate generators in backup systems. They have units in the 5 KW range that have engines that seem fairly sophisticated. They do not