Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cables

2009-03-11 Thread Tom Elliot
Looking at Bob-O's original response his peeve was different than his concern about proper cable use and I share his peeve because a customer looking to get information from a solar business is going to a consider a source with the title of "Lead PV Installer" and expect a level of training and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cables

2009-03-11 Thread Joel Davidson
Do robotic welding machines answer welding cable questions politely because they have no feelings? - Original Message - From: "Wind-sun.com" To: ; "RE-wrenches" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cables It is possible to get UL listed "weldi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cables

2009-03-11 Thread Wind-sun.com
It is possible to get UL listed "welding" cable, though it costs quite a bit more than standard welding cable. It is the same type used in the robotic welding machines and similar applications. Although Bob-o might have come across a bit angry, I have to agree with his opinion on the codes for

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cables

2009-03-11 Thread Matt Lafferty
Dick R wrote: > His post reflects his concern for the integrity of our industry during this period of rapid growth. Me too. That being said, since there was a question in the first place, I am glad the question was asked before a "code crime" was committed. It is apparent to me that Jeff B was

Re: [RE-wrenches] Posting questions...

2009-03-11 Thread Peter Parrish
As one who has asked his fair share of dumb questions in the past, I recommend that we all be as polite and humble as possible. This does not mean that a touch of humor is out of place, nor self-deprecation nor irony. Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D. California Solar Engineering, Inc. 820 Cynthia Ave., Los

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery cables

2009-03-11 Thread David Brearley
Great info, Burt. The Greaves ³Shoo-pin² is another product that crimps to the end of highly stranded cable, like the Cobra X-flex, resulting in a terminal that is suitable for landing on lugs like those in the Sunny Island that are not listed for use with fine stranded cables. Here is a link: ww

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery cables

2009-03-11 Thread Glenn Burt
Hi Jeff, Mr. Wiles strongly suggests that welding cable not be used for battery connections. You can read up on his guidance here: http://www.nmsu.edu/~tdi/Photovoltaics/Codes-Stds/PVnecSugPract.html Something the NEC is clear about is conductors be used that are listed for that purpose. Weldin

[RE-wrenches] Posting questions...

2009-03-11 Thread Glenn Burt
It seems to me that this list is a great resource, for uber-experienced & those that still have questions. I would think the last thing we would want to do is discourage any person qualified to be on this list from soliciting advice from the knowledge on this list. What better place to have questi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cables

2009-03-11 Thread Richard L Ratico
Chance, The wrenches list is also available as a searchable archive, where this subject has been previously discussed / debated at length. Rather than chastising Bob-O, you might thank him for bringing this to your attention and also to the attention of anyone else reading the list, public or pro.

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery cables

2009-03-11 Thread Chance Currington
Bob-O   Please review wrenches etiquitte here  http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm   Below is what i would like you to focus on with regards to your comments to Jeff.   Resist the temptation to "flame" others on the list. Remember that these discussions are "public" and meant for constructiv

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid tie sync with big stiff genny?

2009-03-11 Thread Walt Ratterman
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Re: [RE-wrenches] grid tie sync with big stiff genny?

2009-03-11 Thread Max Balchowsky
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Line Side Feed In and Disconnects

2009-03-11 Thread Wayne Irwin
Wrenches, They are requiring us to install two service disco's. One for the PV (between the PV and the FIT (payment) meter) and one for the house (between the distribution panel and the standard utility (billing) meter). As Darryl stated, the reason is so that they are grouped together. They s

[RE-wrenches] grid tie sync with big stiff genny?

2009-03-11 Thread Geoff Greenfield
Undoubtably many of us are getting interesting project requests as folks want to sprinkle magic stimulus dust on things to make solar panels grow... We have a project with a huge electrical load, pumping water for a medium sized city .  They want solar... great.  Easy. They had a power

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery cables

2009-03-11 Thread Bob-O Schultze
Jeff, This is a pet peeve of mine. Welding cable is designed to live it's whole life surrounded by hot sparks and dragged across cement floors, yet it is not "listed" for use in a home. That pretty much means that the manufacturer hasn't spent the dough to do the UL testing. Most of us use

[RE-wrenches] PV glass cracks along string foil?

2009-03-11 Thread Geoff Greenfield
Greetings list brethren (and sister-en?) Here is a mystery:  We had a Schott ASE-300 fail after a few months in the sun - glass shattered - no meteor fragments or slingshots or other obvious clues. Only the front glass shattered, and here is the interesting part - the glass breakage  is

[RE-wrenches] battery cables

2009-03-11 Thread Jeff Blick
Hi wrenches, I have been looking through the codebook for guidance in selecting battery cables for a large UPS system. The code doesn't appear to have much to say about the actual type of wire used. My electrical supplier is suggesting welding cable, but I feel like I read somewhere that welding