Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupled relay

2009-06-05 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Hi Dick, Thanks for the suggestion. I will run the concept by the SMA tech people. I did use the SMA spec sheets in sizing the wiring, but maybe opening the relays creates fault current at a voltage that will jump the gap. Drake At 10:50 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote: Hi Drake, I'm sending you

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupled relay

2009-06-05 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, Up to now, like you, we've been using the SMA DATA SHEETS (the glitzy ones with the color graphics) to size our wiring and breakers. But, those sheets make no mention of a MAXIMUM OUTPUT FAULT CURRENT. MAXIMUM OUTPUT FAULT CURRENT is specified only in the very last pages of the

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-05 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun Wind
Dick, Thanks for your take on this. The problem I see with using the existing AC/DC system GE for the PV GE is that the EGC will run in parallel with it, separate, but connected at each end (at the array and at the GE). This could set up a ground loop and still leaves the electronic imperiled. I

[RE-wrenches] Chinese solar cells and modules

2009-06-05 Thread Joel Davidson
Wrenches, Aside from the fact that Chinese solar cells are being assembled all over the world into modules with varying degrees of quality, what specific Chinese brand solar modules do you use based on them meeting their stated physical and electrical specifications, construction, durability,

Re: [RE-wrenches] FW: 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-05 Thread Mark Frye
Kelly, If I read you right you are talking about two different things. The EGC running with the PV DC circuit conductors are just that, EGC's and are sized to the largest PV DC conductor. Applying 690.47D to these conductors is incorrect. There is a conductor running from the inverters to the

Re: [RE-wrenches] FW: 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-05 Thread Mark Frye
Rick, I don't see that applying to Kelly's question. He said that the AHJ is not requiring the separate array grounding in his case. The discussion has to do with the number and sizing of conductors run in various parts of the system in order to accomplish various grounding requirements. Mark

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-05 Thread Mark Frye
Kelly, The question is, if the AJH had required you to run the new array DC GED directly to an additional DC array GE, would that new DC GE system need to be bonded with the exisitng AC GE system with a bonding wire other than the new EGC running from the array to new DC GE? Unfortunately, NEC

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-05 Thread Mark Frye
Thanks Kelly, I haven't gotten the handbook, but I think I am getting the picture. How nice of the handbook to let us know that the new GE and GEC that shall be installed according to 690.47D is nothing more than an optional supplementary ground electrode. And furher, if you do choose to take

[RE-wrenches] NABCEP CEU's

2009-06-05 Thread Jon Haeme
Hey All, Has anyone heard of any NABCEP approved seminars being offered between the Small Wind Conference and the MREA fair in Wisconsin this month ? Thursday June 18 is an open day that would be good for some of us to get in a full day seminar. I need some CEU's for my upcoming NABCEP

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-05 Thread Mark Frye
Kelly, I can currently not installing the 690.47D equipment. My inspector is not asking for it. I personnal feel 690.47D is one of a few unmitigated disasters contained within NEC 2008. Perhaps I use too strong a term, but as the AJH's face an increasingly contadictory Code, they will continue to

[RE-wrenches] IRS Guidance on Electing ITC

2009-06-05 Thread Joel Davidson
IRS Guidance on Electing ITC (Copyright 2009 Stoel Rives LLP) On Friday, June 5, 2009, the Internal Revenue Service issued Notice 2009-52, which provides guidance informing taxpayers how to elect to claim the Investment Tax Credit (ITC) under IRC ยง 48 in lieu of the Production Tax Credit

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-05 Thread Richard L Ratico
Kelly, I always install a grounding electrode at the array. I always run a continuous (not spliced), properly sized, or oversize (usually #4), bare, copper conductor from the array modules and frame, to that electrode, then continue it, direct buried, to all of the other grounding electrodes

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-05 Thread Mark Frye
Dick, Kudos for the contributions to the magazine. I do hope as John W. speculates that this will all be sorted out in NEC 2011. In the meantime, while I can see the validity of your method, I don't think it is well supported by NEC 2008. Specifally at 690.43 (which would overide the more

Re: [RE-wrenches] sales to-date

2009-06-05 Thread Wind-sun.com
For us, the stimulus has been - and is expected to be in the future - a big joke. We were lucky in that we get quite a few local off-grid installs and upgrades, because the grid tie market has dropped by over 50% in the past 6 months or so. While panel prices have dropped, it seems like almost

Re: [RE-wrenches] sales to-date

2009-06-05 Thread Joel Davidson
Some California residential PV contractors say permit, fire marshal, interconnect, and rebate paperwork adds $1/W to the retail CEC-AC price. - Original Message - From: Wind-sun.com wind...@wind-sun.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:15