Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar System Certification

2009-12-20 Thread Joel Davidson
William, What about the tested and approved requirement? Does your PE also test and approve the system? Joel Davidson - Original Message - From: William Korthof wkort...@eesolar.com To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:43 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.31E (through a building)

2009-12-20 Thread Joel Davidson
Regarding the DC disconnect, the 2008 Handbook 690.14C(1) comments, These requirements generally prohibit long runs of PV source and input circuits inside a building before reaching the required PV disconnect. A short conductor run through a wall at the point of first penetration to reach a

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, Not sure I understand how buried PV runs protected by touchsafe fuses in combiner boxes at the array and GFCI protection at the inverters constitute a fire hazard. That's not saying I disagree with your disconnect here. I don't. If it was a 1kW system, would you still install one? I

Re: [RE-wrenches] solar hot water nighttime recirc

2009-12-20 Thread Conrad Geyser
We use chrome oxide collectors exclusively. What I'm getting at is that the system will satisfactorily self regulate. Just from all the combined parasitic losses, a typical flat plate system will top out around 180F max.tank temp. in an average summer climate even without nighttime heat

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Glenn Burt
We have been looking at the Blue Oak line of fused combiners/load break rated DC disconnects, but can't get the right fit / cost. Maybe a couple would do the trick at the array for you? -Glenn Burt _ From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Bill Brooks
William, I'm not sure what the struggle is about here. If you have a combiner box, you should always have a disconnect nearby to service the fuses. The 2011 NEC will require such a disconnect. It is a no-brainer on a ground mounted system. A roof-mounted residential system of 4 strings or less

[RE-wrenches] inverter sizing and microinverters

2009-12-20 Thread Solar Plexus
Wrenches. I need some help on inverter sizing. In Montana we have a lot of cold weather with bright sun. What about the following With an array of 50 panels at 235-watts, I would select an 11.4 KW string inverter. The string sizing chart says the 11.4 KW inverter would be fine,

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Matt Lafferty
William, Put the inverters at the array. Run the AC underground. If the AC feeder gets dug up by some rowdy backhoe operator in the future, the breaker (or series of breakers) will open, de-energizing the circuit immediately (and maybe the main to the residence at the same time). If you are

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, It is common in our area to install underground, unfused, transformer secondary laterals. The utilities require 3 feet of cover and marker tape located 12 below grade. I can't find a requirement for marker tape in the NEC. That's not a reason not to use it. It's inexpensive available

Re: [RE-wrenches] low voltage disconnect

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
Lee, The Sunny Island will shut down entirely to protect the batteries. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Wrenches. I have a customer with a stand-alone system with an XW inverter, XW controller, pole mounted array of four 235-watt panels, and 4 of the 8D gel

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Walt Ratterman
Hello all, While this may be excellent advice, I think it would be good to clarify that this may apply primarily to grid tied systems. In Off Grid systems we have different considerations, such as (a) we are working with lower voltages and need to limit the size of the wire and the