[RE-wrenches] Fwd: discharging Rolls batteries

2010-01-17 Thread Michael Welch
Forward from non-member Julie Haugh: - - - - - Hugh Piggot writes: According to Peukert's law (and manufacturers' data bears this out well) the capacity of a battery depends on the rate of discharge. Everyone who knows anything about batteries knows that the capacity is specified at a

[RE-wrenches] Fwd: kW/MW v. kWh/MWh

2010-01-17 Thread Michael Welch
From Julie Haugh Your assessment is correct; you can't store kilowatts of power, you *can* store kilowatt hours of energy. Author Lyn Corum might have slipped up a couple times in there and dropped an 'h' from the kw, but maybe not -- because when storing energy on a utility scale, the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: discharging Rolls batteries

2010-01-17 Thread Hugh
Julie explains the correct application of Peukert's Law. However she does not explain why the battery discharge trials all end at the same voltage. The SOC of a battery on high current will be much higher than that of a battery at low current at this chosen voltage. If the high rate

Re: [RE-wrenches] kW/MW v. kWh/MWh

2010-01-17 Thread William Dorsett
But you know they keep talking about the potential contribution that plug-in hybrids might have for storing energy for utility support. Most of our systems have hugely larger capacity than current Prius'. And I suspect that many RE system owners will want some backup, especially if they are

Re: [RE-wrenches] kW/MW v. kWh/MWh

2010-01-17 Thread R Ray Walters
So one of our battery systems could be rated in terms of maximum instantaneous discharge, lets see: 20,000 amps x 48 v is almost a full Mw.. Wow, now I can say I installed over 100 MwI like this new fuzzy math.. It was such a bummer before to tell the customer looking at a ton of

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: kW/MW v. kWh/MWh

2010-01-17 Thread William Dorsett
Julie Haugh writes: This is part of why there's all the fuss about why renewables are bad for the electric grid.  It's also why, IMHO, battery backed renewables need to be considered more in the future -- so the regulation requirements can be met with the RE systems themselves. I think east-west

[RE-wrenches] Mounting to SIPs, revisited

2010-01-17 Thread Luke Christy
Esteemed Wrenches, We have a PV job in the works that will require mounting racking to several roofs that consist of asphalt shingles laid over SIP panels. The panels are standard 10 nominal thickness, with 9-1/4 of foam sandwiched by 1/2 OSB on each side. The rub is that the underside of

Re: [RE-wrenches] Mounting to SIPs, revisited

2010-01-17 Thread frenergy
Luke, Direct Power and Water has an optional mounting foot with five holes in it for what I think Jeff Randall there referred to as 'Tech' screws to use in the field between rafters. They are referred to as 'easy feet'. It is designed to only attach into the roof decking, which I'm

Re: [RE-wrenches] Mounting to SIPs, revisited

2010-01-17 Thread Allan Sindelar
Just a note of caution here: "Tech" screws are "Tek" screws, which are essentially a sheet metal thread following a pilot drill point, on a hardened shank. They are intended for mounting only into metal, not wood; the drill point isn't designed to self-pilot into wood, and the drill section is