Re: [RE-wrenches] Best practices for mounting on cedar shake roof?

2010-07-14 Thread Max Balchowsky
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Re: [RE-wrenches] BP SX170B's

2010-07-14 Thread Nick Soleil
The BP-3175B are available now, which are pretty similar to the SX-170s and use the same frame. Nick Soleil Project Manager Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC PO Box 657 Petaluma, CA 94953 Cell: 707-321-2937 Office: 707-789-9537 Fax:707-769-9037

Re: [RE-wrenches] Mixing miss matched modules

2010-07-14 Thread Allan Sindelar
Dana, Three issues that I see: 1. Unless the MSX66s (I have never heard of MSX-66s, but Solarex made MSX64s - could that be what they are?) have degraded substantially (which is quite possible given their age and the intensity of SW Colorado sun) I'd be careful about low-temp VOC exceeding 150

[RE-wrenches] Mixing miss matched modules

2010-07-14 Thread Dana
Hey all, I have an off grid client that we are moving the existing sway-backed fixed mount PV array to a new location (the sun gets blocked Nov, Dec And Jan after 1:30PM; the ex-husbands bright idea). We will be mounting the existing [12] MSX66 PV on a Wattsun tracker at [2] strings 6 modu

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-14 Thread Ronald Paredes
Hi Ray, Good observations... The reality is that cycle life graphs are not a true representation of the battery's ability to survive in RE applications. The real test would be the IEC 61427 standard as it closely approximates the conditions that batteries will face in RE applications. Have you

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-14 Thread Ronald Paredes
Hi Jay, Thanks. Always happy to help... The cycle life of the L16RE-2V and the L16RE-A and L16RE-B is the same. I have attached the cycle life graph in Excel format, but just in case the attachment does not go through, it is also below: [cid:image003.png@01CB2362.CADC3F30] Please let me know

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-14 Thread R Ray Walters
Kent; Your table shows just what I found as well: too large a battery bank actually isn't as cost effective. Also, based on the Trojan chart, you can see that a regular L16 isn't even as good as golf cart battery, but that the 2 v version doubles the cycle life. (which makes sense, cycle life i

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-14 Thread Kent Osterberg
Ronald, Thanks for being so quick to follow up such useful information! Using data extracted from your graph I computed the amphours that the battery should deliver over its lifetime: DOD Cycles LifeTime Amphours 20% 1500 333000

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Boxes?

2010-07-14 Thread Joel Davidson
Hello August, See The New Solar Electric Home, 3rd edition, page 225, for a photo of polyethylene tool boxes used to enclose L16 batteries (also John Wiles' Home Power #98 article). I suggest asking John Wiles where to get the boxes. Best regards, Joel Davidson On 7/14/2010 12:37 PM, Augus

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-14 Thread jay peltz
HI Ronald, Thanks for being on the group and giving us good info. Can you also graph cycle life for the L16RE-2v vs the standard 6v L16RE Thanks in advance, jay peltz power On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Ronald Paredes wrote: > Hello Travis, > I apologize for any inconvenience and for not h

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-14 Thread Ronald Paredes
Hello Travis, I apologize for any inconvenience and for not having the data more available. We are currently working on making sure that system designers have easy access to our data. The L16RE-2V battery does have significantly more cycle life than the L16E-AC battery. The "AC" part actually st

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Boxes?

2010-07-14 Thread Daniel Young
Depending on the situation (you may have extremely picky inspectors), and the customers concern with aesthetics, you can source large tool boxes from Lowes or any other large home improvement center. They range from $100-$150 (here in the Midwest) and each one fits 4 x L-16 batteries, but they aren

[RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-14 Thread Travis Creswell
Greetings Esteemed Wrenches, I searched the archives and didn't find a specific reference to my question so please accept my apology in advance if this has already been covered. Are the 2v Trojan L16s a much better option than the "standard" (non-re, 370 Ah) L16? Local distributor tells me

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Boxes?

2010-07-14 Thread James A. Hartley
Have you tried Solarcraft in Houston yet? Kevin Conlin would be the one to ask about their battery boxes. He used some of his own battery boxes for his own house I know. But Solarcraft is also high end commercial/industrial stuff. If the demand for such equipment is there, perhaps they'll ma

Re: [RE-wrenches] Best practices for mounting on cedar shake roof?

2010-07-14 Thread Aladdin Solar
oints on composition roofs. I can't imagine a really reliable way to go through cedar shakes and keep moisture out of the penetration. --Charlie __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5278 (20100714) __ The message was

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Boxes?

2010-07-14 Thread Allan Sindelar
August, Opinion: if a customer can afford GTWB, which is more expensive by its nature, the customer can afford an $850 enclosure and inspectors like them. I have had only success with Concorde SunXtender. Allan Sindelar Allan@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Boxes?

2010-07-14 Thread August Goers
Hi Wrenches - We're seeing more and more interest in grid tied battery backup systems in the Bay Area. Anyway, I'm finding that off the shelf battery boxes are quite expensive - the products from MidNite Solar, DPW, etc are all really nice but super pricey. Any recommendations on battery boxe

Re: [RE-wrenches] Best practices for mounting on cedar shake roof?

2010-07-14 Thread August Goers
We've used the big 18" x 18" Quickmounts with good results. http://www.quickmountpv.com/products/shake-mount.html -August *From:* re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Aladdin Solar *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:0

Re: [RE-wrenches] Best practices for mounting on cedar shake roof?

2010-07-14 Thread Glenn Burt
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Best practices for mounting on cedar shake roof?

2010-07-14 Thread Dana
We have integrated a standing seam roof under the array area with the shake as a trim and keeping with the "look", and used S-5 clips to attach the array rails to the metal roof. Thanks, Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc E - d...@solarwork.com V - 970.626.5253 F - 970.626.4140 C -

Re: [RE-wrenches] Best practices for mounting on cedar shake roof?

2010-07-14 Thread Aladdin Solar
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[RE-wrenches] Andalay components

2010-07-14 Thread Aladdin Solar
Anybody have any hands-on experience installing or maintaining Andalay? I've seen a few opinions go by on the list but I think they were always based on speculation, not actual experience. --Charlie___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address

[RE-wrenches] Best practices for mounting on cedar shake roof?

2010-07-14 Thread Aladdin Solar
Is it possible to do a weather-tight install on a cedar (or other) shake roof in snow country with wide temperature and moisture ranges? We usually use QuickMount or SnapNRack flashed mounting points on composition roofs. I can't imagine a really reliable way to go through cedar shakes and keep