Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread Nick Soleil
Hi Kelly: Are you sure about the XHHW listing. Doesn't that designate aluminum wire? You mentioned CU before. I have seen some discolloration from copper wire against module frames, but not real corrosion. Nick Soleil Project Manager Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC P

Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread Mick Abraham
Kindly bear with me as I go "back to basics". #10 cu has been my old standby for bonding the metal solar module frames but in recent years Arthur Ruden @ Sharp told me to use nothing smaller than #8. I don't know if other major PV mfr's have a similar spec or not but before I buy a spool... The ne

Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Scott, 300.3(2) allows grounding and bonding conductors to be outside of a raceway. See 250.134(B), exception 2. Kelly Keilwitz, P.E. Principal Whidbey Sun & Wind Renewable Energy Systems NABCEP Certified PV Installer WA Electrical Administrator 987 Wanamaker Rd. Coupeville, WA 98239 ke...@whi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread Scott McCalmont
300.3(A) prohibits the use of XHHW outside of a recognized wiring method, which means you need a conduit or raceway. You can use USE-2 in an exposed outdoor location only because 690.31(B) allows it, but only for module interconnections. Scott On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Kelly Keilwitz, Whidb

Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Peter, Yes the #10 XHHW (2) we use is green-jacketed, and 90˚ rated. We get it through our local electrical supply house. Kelly Keilwitz, P.E. Whidbey Sun & Wind Renewable Energy Systems ke...@whidbeysunwind.com 360-678-7131 On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Peter Parrish wrote: Great idea Ke

Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread benn kilburn
Peter,i've been having the same concern running thru my head recently, as i've done this myself, and have compensated by now using a green jacketed bond (ground) wire for rail and module bonding. (fyi-bonding is the CEC term for inter-connecting all metallic parts of an electrical system, i.e.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread jay peltz
HI Peter, I"m wondering that since the insulation isn't needed at all, wouldn't that negate the need for -2? thanks, jay peltz power On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Peter Parrish wrote: > Great idea Kelly! I didn't know one could get green jacketed USE or XHHW. Do > you have a source? Also, do

Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread Peter Parrish
Great idea Kelly! I didn't know one could get green jacketed USE or XHHW. Do you have a source? Also, do you think that we might need wire rated "-2" for 90 deg C wet locations. I know that this is not a current carrying conductor, but roof tops are definitely 90 deg C wet environments. Your though

Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread SOLARPRO
Peter: In my experience and understanding of the relative electro-negativity or electrode potential of these two metals, there is not an issue for the copper to erode to the point of ground failure - the aluminum goes first. In a marine environment, especially salt water areas, all metals

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupled, grid-tied Sunny Island - contactor & bypass

2011-01-14 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
August, If the SI does, indeed, shut out the pass-through AC channel when the critical load panel is connected directly to the grid this is certainly a simpler solution. That would explain why the GD inverters would drop out during a switch. Is the switch-over is fast enough that time-keepin

Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Peter, I have never understood the common practice of using bare copper ground wire on and against aluminum frames and modules. It always has been a dissimilar metals issue. Just look anywhere copper has set against aluminum for awhile. We use #10 green jacketed Cu USE or XHHW conductor and

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupled, grid-tied Sunny Island - contactor & bypass

2011-01-14 Thread August Goers
Hi Kelly - Yes, AC1 from the Sunny Island is always connected to the critical loads panel. During on-grid operation the critical loads panel is fed solely through the main panel and transfer switch, not through the Sunny Island. I see your question about paralleling the critical loads panel throug

[RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals

2011-01-14 Thread Peter Parrish
One of my students who is currently responsible for standing for inspection at their company encountered a inspector who made an interesting point about incompatible metals (i.e. copper and anodized aluminum). The PV system in question used outdoor rated lay-in lugs to bond the rails to bare coppe

Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex PP inverter bypass breakers

2011-01-14 Thread Mick Abraham
Hello, Jeremy or Amy~ The T240 auto-transformer did not ever come factory-installed on a Trace Power Panel. The T240 was always just a part, but some technicians have field installed those onto the blank space on a "single inverter" Power Panel. T240 does incorporate some Square-D breakers and I b

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupled, grid-tied Sunny Island - contactor & bypass

2011-01-14 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Hi August, To make sure I'm clear: Does the Sunny Island output (AC1) stay connected to the critical load panel while at the same time fed directly from the main panel? If so, is there no issue with the critical loads being fed through multiple paths? And, why, then, would the GD inverters s

[RE-wrenches] Xantrex PP inverter bypass breakers

2011-01-14 Thread All Solar, Inc. Jeremy & Amy Rodriguez
Wrenches, I am trying to locate part numbers for the square D breakers and interlock used for one of the old power panels from Xantrex with a T240 enclosure ( I believe), used as the inverter output / bypass. I also seem to remember there is a mounting issue with the breakers also as they come t

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupled, grid-tied Sunny Island - contactor & bypass

2011-01-14 Thread August Goers
Hi Kelly - Sounds like a fun project. We've got a few 10+ kW grid tied Sunny Island projects and although they are not with Enphase inverters I thought I'd pass on how we've been wiring them up with good results. We tie the solar inverters into the critical loads panel and then put a transfer swi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dankoff Flowlight pumps

2011-01-14 Thread Chad Waits
Roy, Allan, Matt and Dana.. Thanks for the info. I knew you guys would come through for me. Best, Chad Waits Net Zero Solar 520.270.4873 chadwa...@netzerosolar.net From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Roy