Re: [RE-wrenches] Backfeeding GFP devices

2011-03-26 Thread Jesse Dahl
I wondered the same thing. If a person fed the secondary side of a transformer, and the primary side was fed from a service with GFP, would it mater if the GFP was able to be backfed? Hope the question makes sense! Jesse Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2011, at 1:13 PM, "Glenn Burt" wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and Enphase

2011-03-26 Thread Jason Szumlanski
We've explored this strategy many times due to all of the whole house and critical load generators in Florida. We've stayed away from the contactor solution because of the potential for the NC contactor failing to open, keeping the inverters "online" when transferred to generator power. While unlik

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and Enphase

2011-03-26 Thread Kent Osterberg
Mark, I agree it is best to wire the inverters on the utility side of the transfer switch. When that isn't easy, a normally closed contactor that is opened by generator voltage, will isolate the inverters from the generator and allow automatic return to utility operation when the generator is

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and Enphase

2011-03-26 Thread Mark Frye
Eric, I do not have direct experience with this but have been exploring the issue for a project I am currently doing. My response will be to take the trouble to interconnect the Enphase inverters on the line side of the tranfer switch so that the inverters can never be connected to the generato

Re: [RE-wrenches] Depth of discharge

2011-03-26 Thread James Surrette
Evening all, A quick note on DOD. Batteries / cells are often rated at voltages above and below 1.75VPC (1.7 - 1.85 are "common"), so ratings should be verified with the supplier / model. However, as anyone that has ever run a discharge test knows, the time / available AH from 1.8 to 1.7VP

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and Enphase

2011-03-26 Thread dan
Boy.. Seems I recall someone telling me this is bad... good way to take out your Genny's control board.. never tried it..Dan BrownFoxfire Energy Corp.Renewable Energy Systems(802)-483-2564www.Foxfire-Energy.comNABCEP #092907-44 Original Message Subject: [RE-wrenches] Generator a

[RE-wrenches] Generator and Enphase

2011-03-26 Thread Eric Thomas
I have a customer with a "30A Mechanically Interlocked Breaker" for their generator feed at the main panel. My question is: If the home power is transferred from utility to generator power, will the backfed PV see the generator as grid power and sync up and produce? This is a nice Honda Generator s

Re: [RE-wrenches] Depth of discharge

2011-03-26 Thread Allan Sindelar
Kent and list, And I was half awake this morning and realized my error in yesterday's post to which you responded... I said "A battery is considered empty at 10.75V (12V), or 1.79 VPC." No, it's at 10.5V, or 1.75 VPC, as you have correctly stated. Sorry. Allan

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small, non-UL listed direct PV grid-tie inverters and UL 1741

2011-03-26 Thread boB Gudgel
On 3/26/2011 9:32 AM, Dan Fink wrote: Mark; An example: http://tinyurl.com/4p4367b and a whole home package! Even includes a Kill-Watt for all your energy production monitoring needs: http://tinyurl.com/4qgogt9 And for an added bonus if you read now, one for a direct grid tie wind turbin

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small, non-UL listed direct PV grid-tie inverters and UL 1741

2011-03-26 Thread Jesse Dahl
Who are these distributers in MN? I would like contact them. Jesse Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Dan Fink wrote: > Hello esteemed Wrenches; > > I have been absolutely swamped with inquiries about small, non-UL listed (or > "UL listing pending") direct PV grid-tie inver

Re: [RE-wrenches] Depth of discharge

2011-03-26 Thread Kent Osterberg
Wrenches, I noticed an error in my reply below when Allan's second comments arrived. Correction: the battery is considered 100% discharged (not 80%) at 10.5 volts (1.75 vpc) under the conditions of use. Kent Kent Osterberg wrote: William, I'll try to add a little to Allan's and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small, non-UL listed direct PV grid-tie inverters and UL 1741

2011-03-26 Thread Exeltech
Detailed answers to your questions, as I see this issue getting worse... My questions for the group are; ~ Can any energy-generating device, even if it *was* UL 1741 listed, comply with the NEC if it plugs into a wall outlet instead of being hard-wired to the breaker panel? *** No. Equipment c

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small, non-UL listed direct PV grid-tie inverters and UL 1741

2011-03-26 Thread Dan Fink
Mark; An example: http://tinyurl.com/4p4367b and a whole home package! Even includes a Kill-Watt for all your energy production monitoring needs: http://tinyurl.com/4qgogt9 And for an added bonus if you read now, one for a direct grid tie wind turbine inverter that takes 3-phase input!

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small, non-UL listed direct PV grid-tie inverters and UL 1741

2011-03-26 Thread Mark Frye
Can you send a link to one of these products? Mark Frye Berkeley Solar Electric Systems 303 Redbud Way Nevada City, CA 95959 (530) 401-8024 www.berkeleysolar.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenche

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small, non-UL listed direct PV grid-tie inverters and UL 1741

2011-03-26 Thread Marv Dargatz
All utility interactive inverters must be connected to a DEDICATED branch circuit. NO LOADS on the inverter side of the OCPD. Not to mention that it is the UL1741 listing process that verifies personnel, property, and utility protection from injury, shock, and fire. This kind of stuff from Ch

[RE-wrenches] Small, non-UL listed direct PV grid-tie inverters and UL 1741

2011-03-26 Thread Dan Fink
Hello esteemed Wrenches; I have been absolutely swamped with inquiries about small, non-UL listed (or "UL listing pending") direct PV grid-tie inverters in the last few weeks. It appears they are arriving in a flood from China and being sold on Ebay, and by other online retailers. They are als