Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I'm not sure about the price, but what about using the DC enclosure from an Outback Flexware system? Lots of space for branch circuit breakers, plus a big DC disconnect. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Jesse Dahl dahlso...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've been

Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread Jay Peltz
I'd try using one of midnite's many boxes Jay Peltz power Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:55 AM, Jason Szumlanski ja...@fafcosolar.com wrote: I'm not sure about the price, but what about using the DC enclosure from an Outback Flexware system? Lots of space for branch circuit

Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread Roy Butler
I like the Midnite MNDC series.low cost, with lots of room for future expansion. List price around $225 I like Maverick's suggestion of using a combiner box, even lower cost. Roy Butler NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer NABCEP Certified Solar

Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread Dan Fink
On the cheap side, Square D QO. They are indeed rated to 48VDC, which means you can use them with a 24v system (but NOT a 48v system). If there is an inverter too, the Midnite mini-panel ($160 with main breaker) and DIN-rail DC breakers. Dan Fink, Executive Director; Otherpower Buckville Energy

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-10 Thread Mick Abraham
Happy Friday, all~ Allan Todd were discussing the issue where a reset type amp hour battery monitor (such as TriMetric) never gets to reset to full when operating on a GTWBB grid tie with battery backup system...because the battery stays in float and the monitor never sees a bulk charge voltage.

Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread Jesse Dahl
Great ideas. I think for this job I will use the combiner box idea. I do have an old trace disconnect box as mentioned laying around that would work as well. Since I'm only putting in a couple DC lights, the combiner method should work great. I get a lot of fish house and hunting shack

[RE-wrenches] Thermal storage water stabilizer

2012-08-10 Thread Nathan Stumpff
Thermal wrenches, I have a series of upcoming projects involving large (up to 10,000 gallon) water storage. They are closed (air-tight) but unpressurized (oversized expansion capability) systems, basically just a mass of water. We move heat in (solar, masonry heater) and out (DHW, space

[RE-wrenches] Unirac SolarMount rail caps

2012-08-10 Thread Dana Brandt
We just finished installing a system on SolarMount and the client is unhappy with how the ends of the SolarMount rail look. She says it looks unfinished and is concerned about bees nesting in them. I know there are other rail products with more finished looking ends but this system is already

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-10 Thread toddcory
actually this is not the problem i have with amp hour meters on grid tie with battery systems. a floated battery does not need an occasional bulk charge. it is being float charged which compensates for any internal self discharge. the only thing needed is an occasional eq to stir the

Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread R Ray Walters
The problem with many of the suggestions, is that these Micro 12 v systems generally have budgets under $1000 parts. 20% of the budget allocated to breakers and discos isn't reasonable, same with a Trimetric. The ATC fuses are used for literally billions of 12 v circuits that all of you use

Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread Drake
I second using QO load centers. You will want to put a fuse, like an FRN-R, between the battery and the load center, as the QO breakers don't have a high AIC rating. 12 V systems can be wired as easily as a regular AC system. At 05:05 PM 8/9/2012, you wrote: Hello, I've been looking at a

Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread Dan Fink
Good point Ray. I work on lots of low budget micro remote systems too.decent ATC fuse blocks are avaiIable (though I avoid Autozone etc) and you can mount 'em in a gray metal box to look code-ish Have done marine disco (big red switch) and class t fuse in some tiny systems for inverter -- the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Unirac SolarMount rail caps

2012-08-10 Thread Maverick Brown [Maverick Solar]
For the Bee's sake, just pump some grey silicone caulk into the ends and scrape flat. ?? From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dana Brandt Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:12 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches]

Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread R Ray Walters
The QO breaker has an AIC of 5000 amps. The usual golf cart batteries have a short circuit current of about 2000 amps, so you could do a set of 4 golf cart batteries at 12v, without worrying about the extra fuse. Once again, if the system gets any bigger, they should just go to an inverter

Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread Jesse Dahl
The code compliance part has been my worry. The small DC system seems to be full of code problems. I do see the benefit of the DC only for the fish houses, but the hunting shacks make me always think code. I have used the morningstar 300W for a few applications and have a magnum 1000W in my

Re: [RE-wrenches] 12V loads

2012-08-10 Thread R Ray Walters
The only way I deal with hunting lodges and the like is to install close to full code (I do relax on the exact year, since it isn't new construction), or I supply parts and advice, and let them do it themselves. In Taos, we had some pretty poor folks trying to make it out in the desert, so I