Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule applying to conductors

2012-09-28 Thread Drake
Are you sure you can't? Since the bus has a rating of 150 A and is protected by a 100 A breaker, there is plenty of room to not over amp the bus from the two sources of power. The amperage from the inverter will cancel amperage coming from the utility in the feeder. The wire will never

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase M210

2012-09-28 Thread Bill Loesch
Jason, You might be interested that the vast majority of owners use the monitoring for maybe two weeks and then no more. Individual module monitoring is a great troubleshooting aid and perhaps a sales aid, but (according to the equipment manufacturer info) essentially a novelty for the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase M210

2012-09-28 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Wow. That's not my experience at all. We have a bunch of people who hound me monthly about production levels. We do have a lot of retirees around here with nothing better to do :) but I find that many of our customers don't really look at production much in the beginning, perhaps because they do

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule applying to conductors

2012-09-28 Thread Aaron Mandelkorn
I agree. With a 150A bus being fed by 100A from the grid leaves 80 additional amps (120% of 150A) to feed the bus from outside sources. It seems to me that 40A of PV being back fed will be just fine. Aaron Mandelkorn NABCEP Certified PV Installer Renewable Energy Outfitters Box 65 Salida,

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule applying to conductors

2012-09-28 Thread Kristopher Schmid
It seems to me that the conductor should not be subject to the 120% rule despite what the code says. The potential safety issue here is overloading the neutral bus, right? While feeding currents could be additive in the panel, they would be subtractive on the feeder, no? I seem to remember

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule applying to conductors

2012-09-28 Thread Dave Click
Mr. Brooks had an email on this topic on 5/8, 12:58pm ET. NEC officially says that the conductor needs to be upsized but the 2014 will fix it because that is dumb. I've copied some of Bill's email below. ** The key distinction was used in my proposal to the 2014 NEC that removed the statement

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule applying to conductors

2012-09-28 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I agree with Dave, as do most AHJ's around Southwest Florida. We're stuck with the strict reading of the code, despite the craziness. Pull new, larger wire. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Dave Click davecl...@fsec.ucf.edu wrote: Mr. Brooks had an email on

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase M210

2012-09-28 Thread William Dorsett
Bill, one of the byproducts that I don't see Enphase marketing yet is the detailed documentation of not only their own model reliability and but more valuable to us would be the data on module reliability by brand and model number. No one else has a million unit test bed. Bill Dorsett

[RE-wrenches] Princeton Power Inverters

2012-09-28 Thread Jason Kechijian
Hello Wrenches, Ever installed Princeton Power inverters? Opinions? Jason D. Kechijian, LEED AP BD+C Senior Project Engineer NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installerâ„¢ NABCEP Certified Solar PV Technical Sales Professionalâ„¢ SolBright Renewable Energy, LLC jkechij...@solbrightre.com sol...@me.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule applying to conductors

2012-09-28 Thread Jay Peltz
But it's my understanding this isn't a tap and so not under those rules. There is no way with breakers on both sides to get more than the 100 amps through that wire. Jay Peltz power a ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address:

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule applying to conductors

2012-09-28 Thread William Miller
Friends: Keep in mind that Mac asked us about application of a specific section of the NEC, not if the rule makes any sense. William Miller At 05:32 AM 9/28/2012, you wrote: Are you sure you can't? Since the bus has a rating of 150 A and is protected by a 100 A breaker, there is plenty of