Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template

2012-12-12 Thread Jesse Dahl
Benn, If you were to look at the roof from the side, it would look like this: 2x6 tounge and grove (laid flat and exposed inside) foam board, 3/4 plywood, shingles. I guess I'm looking for a way to ensure my bit goes in at the right angle, perpendicular to the beams inside. William, Im not

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wind Turbine sources?

2012-12-12 Thread John Blittersdorf
Michael, Bergey has the 48 v XL.1 available, now called the Excel 1. 3 wire to base of tower so the rectifier is now accessible! The controller is now a Midnite solar Classic. Very sweet setup. Price is higher but comes with the switch box (with shutdown breakers and rectifier). I have

Re: [RE-wrenches] off-grid permitting problem

2012-12-12 Thread Jason Szumlanski
See 690.10, 690.1, and 690.3. *Jason Szumlanski** * *Fafco Solar* On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 1:00 AM, William Miller will...@millersolar.comwrote: Jeff: There is a code passage that specifically states that one does not need to provide full rated ampacity to a service. I am sure you can

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template

2012-12-12 Thread benn kilburn
Jesse,Are the 2x6s the 'beams' you are referring to or are the 2x6s supported by the beams you want to attach to?I think i realized what you were thinking with the QM flashing and EMT. ...stick a ~1/2 EMT piece in the QM block and hold it perpendicular to the roof. Is that right? You would

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template

2012-12-12 Thread Will White
Have you looked at EcoFastens Eco-65 plate? We used them on a roof similar to what you've got and went right into the 2x6 so we didn't have to go into the structural members. They've got a flashing that will work with asphalt roofs. Just make sure you get the right length fasteners so it

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wind Turbine sources?

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Daum
Jeremy: The XL.1 is now sold with the Classic controller, so a 48V Bergey XL.1 is quite a viable solution. Best, Chris Daum Oasis Montana Inc. 406-777-4309 -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template

2012-12-12 Thread Jason Szumlanski
We just completed a job with Eco-65's. It took about 12 man-days to install 200 of the base plates and L-Feet on a flat roof with wood blocks on a metal deck with about 3 total from the rolled roof surface to the metal deck. We custom-cut patches to go over the metal flashing supplied with the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template

2012-12-12 Thread Jesse Dahl
The 2x6 are not the beams the beams are 3x10 laminated beams that hold the whole roof up, confusing I know. The beams are what I will eventually attach to. I like the idea, that would allow the drill to stay straight when I drill my pilot hole. Thanks! Jesse Sent from my iPhone On Dec

[RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I have been approached by a local elementary school to develop a very small PV related experiment or system that is appropriate for children aged 9-11. Not having kids myself, I have no idea where to start with this. They are fine with mounting a PV panel on the roof, wall, or ground. They want

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread Karl Jaeger
Hi Jason, When I was in fifth grade I built a little PV project. It consisted of a very small module (smaller than a dollar bill) and a tiny dc motor mounted in a box with string hooked up to it, and some weights. I demonstrated how shading and irradiance levels affect how much weight the motor

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread Dave Click
Jason, for 9-11 year-olds this curriculum may be useful as a starting point, and we've got some others for different age groups. http://fsec.ucf.edu/en/education/k-12/curricula/sm2/index.htm The solar powered system experiment is designed for a cell so we suggested the load be a small

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread Jesse Dahl
This is for older kids, but may help. I did a project for a 7th - 10th grade science class. The school wanted one module and batteries, but I talked them out of any batteries, and they went with a small awning mount array and grid tied it with weather station, temp and irradiance meters along

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template

2012-12-12 Thread Allan Sindelar
William, Given that blueboard (extruded polystyrene) can be safely used as an insulation layer beneath and directly supporting batteries, crushing is simply not an issue, especially with plywood to spread out point forces. Blueboard has tremendous resistance to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread Stephen Kane
Jason, Similar to Karl's suggestion, we have built a few education systems with a small PV module direct to a 12 VDC bilge/sump pump like the Rule models (with some fusing and disconnecting means of course). Showing movement of water when the module is in clear sun vs partially or completely

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template

2012-12-12 Thread Jesse Dahl
Since this job was a spec job and the materials are already here, I need to use the quick mount, so. I took a quick mount, inserted a 1/2 EMT coupling (after some filing) and stuck a 8 piece of 1/2 EMT in the coupling Nd tightened it down. Checked it with my square to ensure it is coming out

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template

2012-12-12 Thread Jason Szumlanski
You can get drill guide attachments that hold the drill perpendicular to the roof surface. I've never used one on a roof, but it could be helpful... http://www.sears.com/craftsman-drill-guide/p-00967173000P?prdNo=1blockNo=1blockType=G1 *Jason Szumlanski** * *Fafco Solar* On Tue, Dec 11, 2012

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread Nathan Jones
Jason, If you want a little self contained display that is interactive you could use a high wattage AC light focused on a small 10 or 20 watt module. Put the light on a rheostat the kids can control. Use a computer fan to the module with a clear plastic tube sealed around it. Drop a ping pong

Re: [RE-wrenches] off-grid permitting problem

2012-12-12 Thread Kent Osterberg
These code references should be all that is necessary to put the inspector on the right path. His requirement that the source be capable of 100 amps clearly conflicts with the intent of 690.10(A); it makes clear that the inverter system only needs to be large enough to operate the single

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread penobscotsolar
I donated some 12 watt solar panels to the local grammar schools in my area and got a call from one of the teachers with the same question. The panel was very over sized for the project, but simply taking a small dc fan (or a d motor with blades (propeller?) attached, combined with a colorful

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template

2012-12-12 Thread Chris
Hi Jesse, We just finished a similar roof mount project but had the good fortune to be going into 6x14 beams at “ 48” o.c. “. I put the on center dimension in quotes loosely, and spent a couple hours prior to drilling the first hole checking layout of the beams, directly under where we’d be

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread Ray Walters
Array direct is definitely better as Stephen points out, and I've built units that run a fan other visibly moving device. Definitely don't want to roof mount the module, as others pointed out, you want the kids to be able to experiment with angles and shading. Throwing in some analog meters

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC, or not DC, Dat is Da question (Two Load Questions)

2012-12-12 Thread Ray Walters
I found that over the years, the bottom line correlates pretty well with total energy concerns. I got away from DC and other super energy efficiency modes, as reliability is even more important, and non standard pumps just don't last near as long. For off grid, I usually spec Grundfos SQ

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template

2012-12-12 Thread Jesse Dahl
Thanks Chris, I did the same as far as verifying layout of the beams, they are all the same center to center, so that helps when snapping lines on the roof, we've been using the quickmount jig for a few hours and haven't missed yet, so I think we got it. Thanks all! Jesse Sent from my

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread Carl Emerson
Hi there, Check out these educational units that include miniature fuel cells and solar... http://www.fuelcellstore.com/en/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=41 Regards Carl Emerson ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small PV system/experiment for kids

2012-12-12 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Thank you all so much - wonderful ideas so far. My contact really likes the fountain/pump idea. An indoor wall mounted fountain may also be interesting, but I think a fountain next to a solar panel would be great with a sign that explains what's going on. *Jason Szumlanski* *Fafco Solar* * *

[RE-wrenches] off grid PV connected to generator

2012-12-12 Thread August Goers
Hi Wrenches, I have a quick theoretical question related to trying to run a standard grid tied PV system off grid with a generator. A client called me wondering if he could run his small Honda generator off grid connected to his load center and then turn on his PV system. What would happen if

Re: [RE-wrenches] off grid PV connected to generator

2012-12-12 Thread William Miller
August: The apocalypse. No, seriously, this is a scenario not supported by any manufacturer I know of. The report we have is it is likely the generator will be damaged. I recommend against it. William Miller At 02:07 PM 12/12/2012, you wrote: Hi Wrenches, I have a quick theoretical

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wind Turbine sources?

2012-12-12 Thread boB
FYI, here is Bergey's link for this. http://bergey.com/products/wind-turbines/bergey-excel-1 boB On 12/12/2012 5:53 AM, Chris Daum wrote: Jeremy: The XL.1 is now sold with the Classic controller, so a 48V Bergey XL.1 is quite a viable solution. Best, Chris Daum Oasis Montana Inc.

Re: [RE-wrenches] off grid PV connected to generator

2012-12-12 Thread Mac Lewis
I have watched this scenario happen with a the Sunny Island system AC coupled to Sunny Island. There is a parameter called maximum reverse generator power that you can program. It defaults at 100W I believe. If the current feeding into the generator is greater than this parameter, the Sunny

Re: [RE-wrenches] off grid PV connected to generator

2012-12-12 Thread Carl Emerson
Hi there, Does it not depend on the size of the generator? I know that solar grid tie into a diesel generator derived grid is done on several pacific Islands. Carl Emerson At 02:07 PM 12/12/2012, you wrote: Hi Wrenches, I have a quick theoretical question related to trying to

Re: [RE-wrenches] off grid PV connected to generator

2012-12-12 Thread Greg Seelhorst
August - I've seen this scenario and it is not pretty like William suggests. From what I've seen, the problem is not so much the power of the PV being more than the generator, but moreso if the 1) generator is synchronous or non-synchronous with the inverted AC (sine wave) and 2) if the

[RE-wrenches] sanyo ba3 pro solar clamp source

2012-12-12 Thread Nick Vida
Hi wrenches, do any of you have pro solar clamps for Sanyo hip-200ba3? I am in need of 80 mids and 30 ends. (I cant remember if there is only one clamp you use in both applications?) This was that Sanyo module with the cuff on the edge by the way. Please contact me off list of you want to free

Re: [RE-wrenches] sanyo ba3 pro solar clamp source

2012-12-12 Thread Jay Peltz
They are different clips Jay Peltz power Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Nick Vida nickv...@ymail.com wrote: Hi wrenches, do any of you have pro solar clamps for Sanyo hip-200ba3? I am in need of 80 mids and 30 ends. (I cant remember if there is only one clamp you use