[RE-wrenches] Equipment Rating vs. Terminal/Lug Rating

2013-01-24 Thread Chris Anderson
How to properly size conductors based on insulation and termination temperature ratings is an often discussed topic among PV designers. Those discussion have provided clarity and understanding of the issue but determining equipment rating, as opposed to termination rating, is still unclear. See bel

[RE-wrenches] Bonding bushings?

2013-01-24 Thread Jesse Dahl
If you are using micro inverters and terminating them in an AC combiner panel, does the feed for the AC combiner panel (125A) need to have bonding bushings for the ground wire? In other words is this ground wire a GEC/Equipment ground like might be used if running an inverter output to a panel?

Re: [RE-wrenches] Bonding bushings?

2013-01-24 Thread August Goers
Jesse, Any metallic raceway that has a GEC running through it needs bonding. So, if you've got the Enphase DC-GEC running through it then, yes, it would need bonding fittings. At least that's my take on it. Check out NEC 250.64(E) towards the second half of the paragraph. 2011 NEC has a nice clar

[RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Allan Sindelar
Wrenches, We have years of installing 36-cell (12V) and 72-cell (24V) modules for battery-based customers. Most of our systems are 24V or 48V nominal. Over the last few years, sources of conventionally-sized 72-cell modules have dried up - as cells have increased in size,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Equipment Rating vs. Terminal/Lug Rating

2013-01-24 Thread August Goers
Hi Chris, Here are my thoughts on your questions/notes below. Please note that I'm in no way an expert in this field, I've only had to deal with it from time to time through our workings with various situations and AHJs. 1. I believe terminal and equipment ratings can vary within one pi

[RE-wrenches] Charge controller query

2013-01-24 Thread Allan Sindelar
Wrenches, When adding a modern charge controller to an existing off grid system as part of an array upgrade, we often have to mix charge controllers and their widely differing control algorithms. A common combination is to add a new array with a FM60 or Classic to an olde

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Allan; I've been in the same conundrum lately. I found that AEE and others have 12 v modules (Solartech), but the price per watt is double or triple. My take is that somewhere around 200 to 400 watts, its more cost effective to go to the GT modules with an MPPT controller. Blue Sky make

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Jay Peltz
Hi guys I've buying the new 6" cell x 72 cell from Trina from a few suppliers. Big yea, but same 44voc so it's an easy add to existing systems. A huge relief. Jay Peltz power Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Ray Walters wrote: > Hi Allan; > > I've been in the same conu

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I totally agree - old mods are usually not worth messing with at today's PV prices. In some cases it might be best to downsize the system and then AC couple some microinverters to cover the decrease in performance, or just replace the entire array if there are enough problems. There is a used marke

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Allan Sindelar
Jason, How do you AC couple some microinverters to cover the decrease in performance in an off grid system, especially with older equipment, such as an SW4024? Thanks, Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.c

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread SunHarvest
Upgrading to a versatile Midnite or Outback cc seems to me a better investment. Sometimes you can match newer 72 cells with older mods...For example, one new Canadian 280 (35.6Vmp, 44.2Voc) matches up nicely with 2 old Kyo 120's (33.8Vmp, 43Voc) Eric SunHarvest - Original Message -

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread All Solar, Inc.
Suntech 295's... Biggin! Thats about it! We did get some 72 cell mods from Oasis Montana (dealer) We are in the same boat. 14 years of off grid installs! Jeremy All Solar - Original Message - From: Allan Sindelar To: RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:35 PM Sub

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Blue Sky Energy just came out with a MPPT controller for 60 cell modules called the 2512iX-HV. It can handle up to 270 Watts input/60 cells and 340 Watts input with 36 cell modules. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Jan 24, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Jay Peltz wrote: Hi guys I've buyi

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I'm not sure that AC coupling would work with the old SW inverters. Assuming they are stacked for 240V, I don't see why it couldn't work. I would actually like to know because I have dual SW5548's on my farm in the Caribbean and I am considering adding more PV. Adding PV on the DC side would be a b

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
One other thingI have been selling 155 watt PV modules, mono with very low temp. coefficient of -0.23%/°C, that are 17.5 Vmp and 21.6 Voc. These are very good performance modules and efficient too. 26.5" x 58.3" and Tyco connectors attached. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems

[RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Blue Sky Energy just came out with a MPPT controller for 60 cell modules called the 2512iX-HV. It can handle up to 270 Watts input/60 cells and 340 Watts input with 36 cell modules. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Jan 24, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Jay Peltz wrote: Hi guys I've buy

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Sorry, the 155 Watt modules have MC4's, not Tyco. Larry On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote: Wrenches, We have years of installing 36-cell (12V) and 72-cell (24V) modules for battery-based customers. Most of our systems are 24V or 48V nominal. Over the last few years, sources

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread William Miller
Friends: Again, welcome to the world of PV design. I suggest one become accomplished at analyzing IV curves for various PV strings. I created a spreadsheet that helps me analyze these values. You can then see if you can mix and match modules to find workable solutions. I recently was asked

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Allan Sindelar
(off list) What brand and model are they, Larry? Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Allan Sindelar
Larry, Yes, but isn't it 12V-only output? When I called Rick Cullen to ask if he had anything to work with 60-cell modules, he told me only in 12V output, which we seldom encounter any more. Thanks, Allan Allan Sindela

Re: [RE-wrenches] Equipment Rating vs. Terminal/Lug Rating

2013-01-24 Thread John Berdner
Chris/August: 1) The terminal temperatures in a piece of equipment should have been evaluated as part of the Listing process. The manufacturer should specify the temperature rating of the terminals and the wire temperature and type, e.g. (Al/Cu). The NRTL will do temperature measuremen

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread John Berdner
Alan: You can also use one of our Optimizers with IndOp. This will buck of boost the module voltage to match the battery voltage. Still would need some form of charge control to protect the battery but this would provide an easy way to add new 60 cell modules to an existing 72 cell array. Feel f

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Ray Walters
Blue Sky's 1524 and 3024 work with 60 cell mods, and have 12 or 24 v output. I have a several 3048s that have been in service for over 12 years, no problems. Ray On 1/24/2013 3:07 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote: Larry, Yes, but isn't it 12V-only output? When I called Rick Cullen to ask if he had

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Ray Walters
Hi John; Would we not need an MPPT controller, just a regular PWM type, then?  That might be a solution for these democracy arrays. Ray On 1/24/2013 3:16 PM, John Berdner wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V Module Query

2013-01-24 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
True, the 2512iX-HV model is for 12 volt systems only. The 1524iX will operate with 12 or 24 volt and can handle up to 57Voc. However, in the manual it recommends no more than 45.6 Voc for 24 volt operation with 33 to 37 volt modules. I'm guessing the conversion efficiency suffers outside that r

[RE-wrenches] Blue Sky V Outback

2013-01-24 Thread William Miller
Friends: If you are accustomed to using an Outback CC and not the Blue Sky, there is an important difference: The Blue Sky requires that the PV negative current be routed through the device. William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.co

[RE-wrenches] lithium batteries

2013-01-24 Thread jay peltz
HI All, Is there a rough voltage range ( high/low nominal) for the lithium family of batteries? I'm curious if our current range of inverters can work with these batteries, at least on the load side, probably not on the charging side. thanks, jay peltz power _