Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread boB
On 3/21/2013 9:59 PM, Exeltech wrote: Wrenches, I'm probably a lone voice on this .. and not intending to get overly picky. No, two lonely voices, Dan. I associate clipping with audio waveforms which stops the negative or positive voltage peaks flat. Also called flat-topping. Limiting

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread Bill Loesch
Hi Dan, A very heartfelt thanks for the education. It is exactly this kind of attention to detail that separate the professional from the practitioner. Moreover, at least in this case, the proper terminology is hopefully better and more widely understood. Thanks again, Bill Loesch Solar 1 -

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread Bill Loesch
Hi boB, Kudos to you, too. Flat-topping (bottoming) is so very descriptive and hopefully universally understandable. Excellent analogies. Technical education/expertise sharing is one of the most prized benefits of belonging/participating on the RE-wrenches list. Thanks, Bill Loesch Solar 1

Re: [RE-wrenches] Metal shingles

2013-03-22 Thread Jason Szumlanski
It depends on the type of metal shingle/tile, of course, but many of them have a screw where they overlap. We are seeing a lot of the simulated round tiles that are made of metal, and they can have a screw at the apex near the overlap, or on the overlap/edge. *Jason Szumlanski* *Fafco Solar*

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread Drake
It would be good to quantify the amount of peak energy that is lost through power limiting. We have a 2160 Watt array on a 40 degree pitched roof with a SB 2500HF US inverter. The other day I watched the meter hover over 2000 W and peak at 2490 W. It was a clear, cold day. It runs in the STC

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread David Brearley
The power quality should not be adversely affected. While I'm sure different manufacturers may limit power in different ways, in theory all the inverter is doing is moving the array off its MPP. Here's a description from AE: If the power available from the array exceeds the nameplate rating

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread Nick Soleil
Good points David, we are in peak season for inverters to be limiting power. Marco, your diagram shows that the modules are only overproducing the Enphase M215's output of 225 watts for a single 15 minute period during the day. That would only equate to about 3 watt-hours of lost power on a day

Re: [RE-wrenches] Clipping

2013-03-22 Thread Nick Soleil
Hi Jesse and Wrenches, One thing that should be understood about the production readings from a DC optimizer system is that the module level readings are in DC. That is the production before being converted to AC, and does not account for the losses of the inverter. It isn't really an apples to

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW Config Tool problem

2013-03-22 Thread Jeff Yago
We have an older Windows XP based laptop that we used for years for inverter and array commissioning that also ran the XW configure software tool using a USB software driver for the Xanbus Diagnostic Tool. However, like all computers, just when you get them to run all the software you need, they

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW Config Tool problem

2013-03-22 Thread Allan Sindelar
Jeff, We've only done a couple of XW systems, but when I needed software I was able to have it emailed to me by XW tech support. If you don't get a response here, you might try that. Allan Allan Sindelar

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW generator control for thermostat

2013-03-22 Thread Jeff Yago
We have an Xantrex XW 6048 inverter we installed for a client about 2 years ago that includes the separate generator control module, which currently programmed to start the generator on low battery. The client has gone through several outages when he was not home. The solar/battery/inverter

Re: [RE-wrenches] Clipping

2013-03-22 Thread Jesse Dahl
Understood. I guess the point/question was, a 250W module with a 215W micro would flat top a heck of a lot of power where I live during the 6 months of winter we have. I've sized my system to account for increased production during this time. I guess it comes down to sizing. I find it hard to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Clipping

2013-03-22 Thread Jason Szumlanski
We now have 230W, 235W, 240W, 245W, and 250W modules on Enphase M215's in the field. Initial anecdotal evidence shows that the 250W modules are doing better in our area, even when the cost comparison is taken into account (normalized for $/watt). I don't have a full year of data yet, but I plan to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Clipping

2013-03-22 Thread Jesse Dahl
Interesting. Jason you're in FLA right? I'd like to hear from a northern installer who's put in a similar group of enphase. That's exactly the type of info I'm looking for. Like you mention, this might all be a waste if time when you consider module price. I'm having a hard time getting