[RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Steven Lawrence
Luke, Most tankless hot water heaters can't accept pre-heated water. Some of them can, but even still these have a minimum heat input into the water. You may run into a situation where you have 105F water into the tankless and the thing won't fire up due to safety reasons (can't put out 130F or

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Dave Click
At SPI last year there was at least one company offering this, and there's another company from Tallahassee also looking into it: www.usa-eds.com I'm not an expert by any means but I think that even 120F doesn't kill legionella-- you need to get to 140F. And even if you do 140F, I imagine

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread David Katz
Hi Luke I am doing this with a 1200 watt array that is AC coupled to my off grid home inverter. I am using an SMA 1800 inverter because it is 120vac. I use a relay connected to the AC output that connects the 4500 watt water heating element to the AC breaker panel when battery voltage reaches

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Bill Hoffer
Luke I know that this is different than your off grid situation, but I have a grid connected home with 2.4KW array AC coupled with an 1.8kw Exeltech system to an Outback that has been powering my all electric house to include an electric instant hot water heater ( 2 x 55amp 240 circuits!), I even

[RE-wrenches] SE or SW

2013-05-14 Thread Jesse Dahl
Hello, I was asked to look at a site today for a homeowner looking for a grid-tie with battery-back up. They are Doomsday Preppers for lack of a better term and want certain loads if and when the grid goes down for good. Aside from parts selection, they have two roof lines, one facing SE one

Re: [RE-wrenches] SE or SW

2013-05-14 Thread Benn At DayStarSolar
Jesse, A good decision can be based on, among other site/load specific details, the site's micro-climate. Do they tend to have clear mornings and cloudier afternoons/evenings? ...or cloudy/foggy mornings and clearer afternoons/evenings? Maybe throw the different directions into PVWatts and

Re: [RE-wrenches] SE or SW

2013-05-14 Thread Jesse Dahl
We do tend towards clear mornings and clouding up in the middle of the day. Today was a good example of it. I did use PV watts and didnt see a big difference between the two. Thanks Benn Jesse Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Benn At DayStarSolar b...@daystarsolar.ca wrote:

[RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Hilton Dier III
A friend of mine lives off grid with PV and wind. He added a shunt-type controller to his battery bank and connected it to a DC heating element in his hot water tank. Below a set voltage the element is dormant. When the battery bank hits a high voltage (at the end of a particularly sunny day

Re: [RE-wrenches] SE or SW

2013-05-14 Thread Benn At DayStarSolar
Thanks for pointing that out Dave. PVWatts is a great tool but you're right, unfortunately it doesn't account for snow cover. It's best to go into the derate settings and using your knowledge of the different site/equipment factors, adjust accordingly. benn Sent from a 'smart' phone, with

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Jay Peltz
Hi Hilton What controller did he use? Jay Peltz power Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Hilton Dier III hiltond...@gmail.com wrote: A friend of mine lives off grid with PV and wind. He added a shunt-type controller to his battery bank and connected it to a DC heating

[RE-wrenches] Battery boxes

2013-05-14 Thread Hilton Dier III
Take a look at www.usplastic.com and check out their polyethylene tanks. TAMCO is one brand I have used. A 36 x 20 x 20 tank will hold four large-ish batteries (L-16 or similar) with room to spare. The lids need some foam tape for air sealing, but otherwise they are acid resistant and

Re: [RE-wrenches] SE or SW

2013-05-14 Thread August Goers
Does PVWatts really account for hourly weather data such as overcast conditions in the afternoon? I think it just accounts for average solar radiation for a particular location on a monthly basis but I could be wrong. Anyone care to chime in? -August *August Goers* VP, Engineering o:

Re: [RE-wrenches] SE or SW

2013-05-14 Thread Allan Sindelar
Jesse, Based only on the info you provided, I'd recommend the SE face. A low slope is best for maximizing annual gain, which is what a conventional grid-tie customer would want. But you are in essence giving them a system that will function as GT now, but as an

Re: [RE-wrenches] SE or SW

2013-05-14 Thread Jesse Dahl
Allan, That is pretty much my thinking. They have 0 interest in stepping foot roof and the SE give more tilt and easy ground access to clear the array during winter. I appreciate the advice. Jesse Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Allan Sindelar

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Allan Sindelar
Hilton, That sounds like a good idea at first glance but a bad one when you dig a bit deeper. In essence he is sacrificing proper absorption on the batteries and will pay the price in reduced battery capacity and life. As soon as the batteries reach the bulk