Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-02 Thread jay peltz
Hi Carl Would like to see real data. Photon publishes their module data, and thin film are no where near the top of the list. Nexpower. #14 First solar. #131 Total of 151 modules in the test. Jay Peltz power Sent from my iPad On Jun 1, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Carl Emerson

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-02 Thread Bob-O Schultze
Me too, please. Bob-O On Jun 2, 2013, at 7:32 AM, jay peltz wrote: Hi Carl Would like to see real data. Photon publishes their module data, and thin film are no where near the top of the list. Nexpower. #14 First solar. #131 Total of 151 modules in the test. Jay Peltz power Sent from

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-02 Thread Carl Emerson
Jay, Are they doing a 'real world' test for each module over say 12 monts Carl Emerson Hi Carl Would like to see real data. Photon publishes their module data, and thin film are no where near the top of the list. Nexpower. #14 First solar. #131 Total of 151 modules

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-02 Thread Carl Emerson
Jay, The short answer is no. These are not real world tests of energy yield under 'normal' outdoor conditions. Photon are setting up field tests for 2013 in Germany and the middle East. Then they will have some useful data. Carl E. Hi Carl Would like to see real data.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-02 Thread jay peltz
Hi Carl, Here is the link to how Photon measures each module. http://www.photon.info/photon_lab_modul_ertragsm_en.photon?ActiveID=1289 and http://www.photon.info/photon_lab_modul_ertragsmAD_en.photon?ActiveID=4382 Can you please tell me how they are doing it wrong, and what the test would

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-02 Thread Ray Walters
First Solar was not performing to warranty within the first 2 years. They supplied more modules, but not the additional land, racking, labor, wiring, etc to make up for the low performance. I've watched thin film companies come and go for 2 decades. As I said before, I think they have they're

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-02 Thread Carl Emerson
Of interest. This link from Forbes explains that the decline in thin film is purely cost and not performance related. http://www.forbes.com/sites/uciliawang/2012/04/18/how-first-solar-struggles- amid-decline-of-thin-film-solar-market/ This is because the world price of silicon has

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-02 Thread Carl Emerson
Hi Jay, Thanks for that, yes, I have seen the setup you refer to and it is very comprehensive, but I thought that your reference to the 151 modules was a lab test at STC and not an outdoor test for energy yield. Can you send the link to the outdoor test results please. Many Thanks,