Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread Larry
Hey boB, This is the reference table I was using. They show 325 AWG and 325kCM refer to the same diameter cable but I should have used kcm for clarity. If all insulation/temp rating is the same we are back to my original question. Anyone else able to explain this? To be safe I am leaning tow

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread Daniel Young
It all boils down to how ampacity is determined in the NEC. Ampacity is really related to temperature as far as the NEC is concerned. The ampacity of a 1/0 wire at 90c is the constant current it can carry in free air (30 C air) and not achieve an internal temperature of more than 90 C. the 75 c

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
The "area" of the conductor will be 3 times and you would think that the NEC Ampacity would also be 3 times that of one conductor. But one LARGE conductor with the same area might not be as high as you think because of insulation. I would think that ampacity of 3 cables in parallel would be

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule

2014-12-02 Thread Daniel Young
"It also incorporates some pretty nauseating marketing." Thank you William, I hoped I wasn't the only one who thought that! With Regards, Daniel Young, NABCEP Certified PV Installation ProfessionalTM: Cert #031508-90 NABCEP Certified Solar Heating InstallerTM: Cert #SH031409-13 Lead

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule

2014-12-02 Thread Jerry Shafer
No cut sheets, its "b3 bypass" and the site seamed populated, they have a contact link and i have gottrn responses Jerry On Dec 2, 2014 11:48 AM, "Howie Michaelson" wrote: > Jerry, > Interesting product, but I can't find much real info on the website. Is > the B3 bypass listed for multiple manuf

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread Larry
That's the part that is throwing me off. If I have 3 times the circular mil and compare that to a single conductor of similar circular mil, how do I have 3 times the ampacity? These are very different numbers. Example: 1/0 @ 90c is 170 amps x 3 = 510 amps. 510A is what a conductor just over 75

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule

2014-12-02 Thread William Miller
Friends: This new breaker looks like it incorporates some good ideas. It also incorporates some pretty nauseating marketing. The web site is all fluff and little substance. For example, it is not clear what brand of panel this will fit in, listing status, etc. I am also disgusted at the

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule

2014-12-02 Thread Howie Michaelson
Jerry, Interesting product, but I can't find much real info on the website. Is the B3 bypass listed for multiple manufacturers? Do you have a cut sheet on it? Thanks, Howie -- Howie Michaelson NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional™ Catamount Solar, LLC Renewable Energy Systems Sales an

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule

2014-12-02 Thread Jerry Shafer
Yes it has a built in connection to the main and bypasses the existing buss all together, I spent a lot of time with this at the show and is due to be released soon Jerry On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:14 AM, wrote: > Hi: > > I'm also not associated with the manufacturer and am not interested in > pr

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule

2014-12-02 Thread Jerry Shafer
Thats a great panel if your upgrading, if your using an existing panel. this is just a breaker that has a built in tap Jerry On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Max Balchowsky wrote: > We've been using the Sq D and Seimens "Solar Ready" service panels, they > come pre-wired with a line side tap

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread Daniel Young
Essentially right. The only thing you need to account for is the conduit run. If you run those 3x 1/0’s for each leg in the same conduit, you then need to apply any applicable derates due to multiple current carrying conductors in a conduit, on top of any other conditions of use derates.

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule

2014-12-02 Thread Jarmo . Venalainen
Hi: I'm also not associated with the manufacturer and am not interested in promoting the, but do get lots of questions about these kinds of things and want to make sure I really understand what it is they are offering >From what I can tell it's a special dual breaker which replaces the main pa

Re: [RE-wrenches] Appliances for off-grid home

2014-12-02 Thread Michael Welch
Here is another great resource for appliance info: http://enervee.com/ Dan Fink wrote at 05:20 PM 12/1/2014: >Hi Dave; > >The last couple times I speced dishwashers for off-grid clients, I ended up >doing it right from EnergyGuide ratings. No longer have to order expensive >stuff from Europe

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% rule

2014-12-02 Thread Max Balchowsky
We've been using the Sq D and Seimens  "Solar Ready" service panels, they come pre-wired with a line side tap Max Balchowsky Design Engineer SEE Systems 1048 Irvine Ave Suite 217 Newport Beach, Ca. 92660 760-403-6810"Building a Better Future For The Next Generation" From: Jerry Shafer

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread Bill Turberville
I am sorry. Bad fingers. Three times the ampacity under the same conditions. *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining OK, let

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread Bill Turberville
The ampacity is twice the ampacity of 1-1/0 conductor under the same conditions. William C. Turberville P.E. President Electrical Contracting Enterprises LLC 3080 Stage Post Dr ste 107 Bartlett, TN 38133 901-348-9230 ext 101 phone 901-289-6346 cell 901-348-2192 FAX *From:* RE-wrenc

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread Larry
OK, let's use 1/0 for the example. 108,350 x 3 = 325,050. Do I now have a cable between 300 and 350 AWG? Thank you, Larry On 12/2/14 10:51 AM, Bill Turberville wrote: The minimum conductor size that can be paralleled, according to the NEC is 1/0. William C. Turberville P.E. President El

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread Bill Turberville
The minimum conductor size that can be paralleled, according to the NEC is 1/0. William C. Turberville P.E. President Electrical Contracting Enterprises LLC 3080 Stage Post Dr ste 107 Bartlett, TN 38133 901-348-9230 ext 101 phone 901-289-6346 cell 901-348-2192 FAX *From:* RE-wrench

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread Jerry Shafer
We have installed multible mcm 500 to meet this and there were three on each leg but that was because of the required size and bending room Jerry On Dec 2, 2014 7:43 AM, "Larry" wrote: > Wrenches, > > If I combine 3 conductors of equal length in parallel, is the resulting > size equal to 3 times

[RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-02 Thread Larry
Wrenches, If I combine 3 conductors of equal length in parallel, is the resulting size equal to 3 times the Circular Mil area? For example, #4 is 42,080cm so are three #4's close to 2/0 (134,200cm) in size? Is it as simple as this? Assuming the conductors can not be removed individually, does

[RE-wrenches] 120% rule

2014-12-02 Thread Jerry Shafer
I have seen a lot of talk about the meter main and solar breakers and what the 120% rule is intended for. I have seen a product at SPI this year and as I am not pushing this product or indorsing it, it may be of value to some of you that are dealing with the issue of system size vs meter main check

Re: [RE-wrenches] Appliances for off-grid home

2014-12-02 Thread Tump
Here is what we suggest, good products. http://www.premierrange.com On Dec 1, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Chris Schaefer wrote: > Dave, what I use and recommend for LP stoves is Roper by whirlpool. No > electric at all, just propane. For dishwashers, toasters and microwaves I > just add a wall switch by t