Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Ray Walters
Yes, amorphous modules degrade faster then crystalline cells. 15 years will really start catching up with you, that's why we always tried to stick to monocrystalline when we could. I think your best option for now is to rewire the array for much higher voltage. Even your current voltage

[RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Luke Christy
Hello Off-Grid Wrenches, I recently made a periodic maintenance visit to a residential off-grid system I take care of here in Southern CO, and discovered an interesting problem. This system has an array of 48x Uni-Solar PVL-68 laminate modules applied directly to standing-seam metal roofing.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Roy Rakobitsch
Ive installed a few systems with these laminates years ago, but havent kept up with performance much unfortunately. I have heard of the diodes going bad (which are glued into the laminate along the sides). Maybe thats your issue? Just speculating... Roy Rakobitsch NABCEP Certified Small Wind

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread jay peltz
HI Luke, To add here. I'm unclear if you have measured each string or the whole array at 71v. I would check each string for voc/isc. And then if they are consistent, I agree that putting 2 strings in series with a new controller might help out. You can try it with the MX-60 as you are at only

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Dana
I have a new client in ID that has the same product. The 48 volt system has a relay style era charge controller that we will upgrade this summer. He has no issues achieving equalization voltages PV direct without the generator. For a product that had a lot of press in the early days this is only

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Jerry Shafer
One solution is to restring up to the max of the outback, say double what you got now, easy to do on the combined. This will not change the fact of cause that the modules are molding some of the power but will get the input voltage up where it needs to be Jerry On May 31, 2015 4:03 PM, Randy

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Randy Brooks
I second Jay. If one string is significantly lower, I’d check each module in the string. Could be a bad module. Randy On May 31, 2015, at 1:23 PM, jay peltz jay.pe...@gmail.com wrote: HI Luke, To add here. I'm unclear if you have measured each string or the whole array at 71v. I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Allan Sindelar
Luke, I deleted your first message, but I thought you wrote that the system was pre-MPPT, with strings wired as 4 12 Vnom in series. IT seems to me that given insufficient Vmp, a modern controller is a no-brainer anyway, and it's only a matter to which one to use.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Allan Sindelar
Luke, I have never worked with Uni-Solar laminates, although I expect to for the first time this summer, at 12,800' in the White-Inyo mountains, but that's another story. I installed one small cabin system with US64s in 1999 (the rancher wanted modules that would keep performing with a few

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Luke Christy
Jay, the 71V I measured was the array VOC. Accessing the wiring for individual strings is fairly difficult as the combiners are high up in a hot attic. I didn't have a lot of time on site the day I observed this problem, so didn't gather as much information as I could have otherwise. A

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Allan Sindelar
Jay, Whoa, I'd be careful there. Unless there's been a change while I was away on my bicycle, Outbacks are still 140V rated maximum voltage and 150V hard maximum. 142Voc in May suggests that doubling strings in series will easily exceed max Voc in winter. That's why I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Ray Walters
I agree, scratch my previous suggestion of 8 in series on the Outback controller. I got so used to Midnites that I forgot how unforgiving the Outback controllers are with high Voc. Run the Unisolar modules through the Midnite sizer. http://www.midnitesolar.com/sizingTool/index.php R.Ray

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Degradation with Uni-Solar laminate

2015-05-31 Thread Luke Christy
Allen, With 8 modules in series I think I'll be looking at a Classic 250 for sure to be comfortable with winter morning VOC. I don't really know what kind of combiner situation I'll find up in the attic. It may be easy enough to re-wire into strings of 6 instead of strings of 8, though that