[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery fires

2022-03-12 Thread Dana Orzel
https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/01/massive-cargo-ship-carrying-electric-car s-sinks-in-atlantic-ocean-after-fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-Mq1Uqpw NTSB video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6eS6JzBn0k Without trying to be a fear monger but definitely concerned as an installer -

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery fires

2022-03-12 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
As I far as I know in the grid-tie residential storage market, Tesla Powerwalls have dominated, especially in the two largest markets of California and Hawaii. (Full disclosure: I'm a Tesla Certified Installer.) To my knowledge, I've never seen an example of one torching. In fact, Tesla, to their

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery fires

2022-03-12 Thread Sindelar Solar
I would start by choosing my lithium technology carefully. I have only installed Blue Ion LiFP batteries, and have relied on Blue Planet's assurances that lithium ferrous sulfate technology is non-flammable and thus safe in residential applications. Allan On 3/12/2022 1:11 PM, Dana Orzel wrote

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery fires

2022-03-12 Thread Dan Fink
Safer LiFePO4 vs. "lithium ion" NMC formulation for ESS is also important to carefully explain to customers--especially since the UN 3480/3481 hazmat shipping labels and regulations group them both into the same category of "Lithium Ion" and that's what stamped and placarded on the box. Ran into th

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery placement

2022-03-12 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Just out of curiosity, does Blue Planet allow for the placement of their Blue Ion battery in residential living spaces? marco On Saturday, March 12, 2022, Sindelar Solar wrote: > I would start by choosing my lithium technology carefully. I have only > installed Blue Ion LiFP batteries, and have

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery fires

2022-03-12 Thread Kienan Maxfield
Here's my 2ยข... LiFePO4 And NMC are Both technically types of "Lithium-Ion" batteries. Neither one has pure lithium, they have ions of lithium. That being said, I agree that they shouldn't even really be in the same category. They have some shared traits and some different traits. It is incorr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery fires

2022-03-12 Thread Jerry Shafer
Lithium batteries are not all the same, any battery having cobalt, magnesium, manganese are some of what will start fires, batteries with Phosphate does not have the same fire possibilities. On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 12:11 PM Dana Orzel wrote: > > https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/01/massive-cargo-sh

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery placement

2022-03-12 Thread Jerry Shafer
I have systems with the batteries in living spaces, depends more on the JHA, They are fire rated On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 2:43 PM Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: > Just out of curiosity, does Blue Planet allow for the placement of their > Blue Ion battery in residential living spaces? > > marco > > On Sat