Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 230.46 spliced and tapped conductors

2023-02-01 Thread Jeff Clearwater via RE-wrenches
We've transitioned from using supply-side taps to using Feeder taps re: 705.12(B) almost exclusively. The advantages are numerous - and you just added one more - not needing line side listing on your tap hardware. One of the most dangerous things I see looming in the present code is the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-02-01 Thread bob--- via RE-wrenches
 SPDs or (MOVs) on the PV input side of a charge controller are not wired to snub excessive PV voltage. They are wired from PV+ to GND and the other from PV- to GND and only the two in series, at double the MOV clamp voltage would have any effect on clamping the PV+/PV- voltage. SPDs are

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 230.46 spliced and tapped conductors

2023-02-01 Thread Brian Mehalic via RE-wrenches
The requirements for power distribution blocks (PDB) to be marked “*suitable for use on the line side*…” when installed connected in that manner in wireways (Art. 376) and pull/junction boxes (Art. 314) have been in the NEC® for quite a few cycles. It looks like the additions to 230.46 in the

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 230.46 spliced and tapped conductors

2023-02-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
As someone who does 75%+ supply-side interconnections, this kind of terrifies me. We have another year of NEC 2017 here, so I have time to prepare, but I'm watching this closely. Meter disconnects/reconnects here are difficult due to the lack of good utility company cooperation and the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-02-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
I have been following this discussion intently. I hate to say it, but it all sounds like a major case being made for AC-coupled system architecture, and even integrated "AC Batteries" like Powerwalls and Encharge that integrate the battery and inverter into listed Energy Storage Systems. As

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-02-01 Thread Brian Mehalic via RE-wrenches
Most firefighters are not electrical engineers; nor are most insurance agents. However both of those groups are stakeholders with influence over codes and standards. Some may say too much influence, but the fact of the matter is that code making is a group/consensus process, and very often none of

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-02-01 Thread James Jefferson Jarvis via RE-wrenches
On 2/1/2023 2:58 PM, Starlight via RE-wrenches wrote: Have you (or any) installed surge suppression on the PV input side to clamp the open circuit voltage surge? That's not where the issue is and isn't really a solution. As I explained in my previous e-mail, the issue is the open circuit on

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-02-01 Thread Starlight via RE-wrenches
Have you (or any) installed surge suppression on the PV input side to clamp the open circuit voltage surge? Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Feb 1, 2023, at 1:23 PM, William Bryce via RE-wrenches wrote: I can also backup what Jim has said, and have seen the same gear

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-02-01 Thread William Bryce via RE-wrenches
I can also backup what Jim has said, and have seen the same gear destroyed by removing the battery abruptly when the controller is under heavy load. They can die, and sometimes die spectacularly. Have seen SolArk inverters integrated MPPT controllers blow up when lithium battery BMS disconnects.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-02-01 Thread James Jefferson Jarvis via RE-wrenches
On 2/1/2023 12:25 PM, Alex MeVay via RE-wrenches wrote: Although our controllers are probably smaller than what you would be considering in this discussion, surviving a load dump (suddenly disconnected battery) is an engineering requirement for us, and likely would be for other responsible

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-02-01 Thread Jeff Clearwater via RE-wrenches
Hi Esteemed Wrenchies, Love this discussion. It is clear to me after many years of watching this that the industry needs to have an Emergency Shutdown standard that includes an emergency shutdown of the BMS of every battery as well as the inverter's circuits including MPPTs if all

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-02-01 Thread Alex MeVay via RE-wrenches
> Oh, yeah, the charge controller blowing up thing: Does anyone have any > factual data to share on this? Although our controllers are probably smaller than what you would be considering in this discussion, surviving a load dump (suddenly disconnected battery) is an engineering requirement for