Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-14 Thread Jason Lerner
the battery. This is one of many battery myths. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience From: Jason Lerner wapa...@rockisland.com Date: Fri, July 13, 2012 7:28 am To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-14 Thread Jason Lerner
] On Behalf Of la...@starlightsolar.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:18 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Jason, Forcing a lead acid battery to deeply discharge does not increase capacity or life of the battery. It only shortens battery life and may

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-14 Thread R Ray Walters
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:18 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Jason, Forcing a lead acid battery to deeply discharge does not increase capacity or life of the battery. It only shortens battery life and may damage the battery. This is one of many

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-14 Thread Jason Lerner
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:18 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Jason, Forcing a lead acid battery to deeply discharge does not increase capacity or life of the battery. It only shortens battery life and may damage the battery. This is one of many

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-13 Thread Jason Lerner
-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jason Lerner Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:26 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience I am back to using Trojan's after 12 years of trying others, none seem

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-13 Thread larry
-wrenches] Battery Experience From: Jason Lerner wapa...@rockisland.com Date: Fri, July 13, 2012 7:28 am To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Hello John,This time of year I service off grid summer cabins where people come up once a year for a few weeks. The batteries in these systems

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-13 Thread toddcory
ordered. Dave From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of SunHarvest Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:56 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Just got talked into buying Crown (395Ah@20Hr) as my

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-13 Thread Howie Michaelson
: +1-562-236-3239 jdeboe...@trojanbattery.com www.trojanbattery.com From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jason Lerner Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:26 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-13 Thread John DeBoever
...@starlightsolar.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:18 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Jason, Forcing a lead acid battery to deeply discharge does not increase capacity or life of the battery. It only shortens battery life and may damage the battery. This is one

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-13 Thread larry
CrutcherStarlight Solar Power Systems Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience From: "Howie Michaelson" ho...@suncatchervt.com Date: Fri, July 13, 2012 9:36 am To: "RE-wrenches" re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Although I'm n

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-13 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
On 7/13/2012 9:36 AM, Howie Michaelson wrote: Although I'm not clear on this, my impression is that when flooded batteries float for long periods of time, the electrolyte stratifies and creates various aging problems, which is why I assume one would want to cycle the batteries at least somewhat

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-09 Thread John DeBoever
://www.trojanbattery.com/ From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jason Lerner Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:26 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience I am back to using Trojan's after 12 years of trying others, none

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
John, Thanks for that clarification. One question: What is PSOC? Partial State Of Charge? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Jason, Wrenches, Thank you for your patience and positive statements on Trojan Battery Company. Last week was a busy and I was away from my desk most of the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-09 Thread toddcory
Of Jason Lerner Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:26 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience I am back to using Trojan's after 12 years of trying others, none seem to last as long for the L16's. Could anybody explain the technical differences between the Trojan L16

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-09 Thread John DeBoever
Dick, Yes, correct, partial state of charge. John On Jul 9, 2012, at 18:45, Richard L Ratico richard.l.rat...@valley.net wrote: John, Thanks for that clarification. One question: What is PSOC? Partial State Of Charge? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Jason,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-09 Thread John DeBoever
-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of toddc...@finestplanet.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:19 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience and the difference betaeen the L16RE-A L16RE-B is? todd On Monday, July 9, 2012 12:53pm, John DeBoever jdeboe

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-01 Thread bob ellison
Of Jonathan Hill Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:41 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Over 20 years experience with them says you can't go wring with Trojan! Jonathan Hill, senior system engineer and founder Sierra Solar Systems 563C Idaho Maryland Road Grass Valley, CA

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-01 Thread Jeff Wongstrom
I have had bad luck with Trojan batteriesthat were installed 3-5 years agohaving had several premature L16 failures. Some of the batteries had one cell fail within 1-2 years. Most of the batteries were well cared for and most were the HC model. Prior to the HC model I had good luck with Trojan

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-01 Thread bob ellison
To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience I have had bad luck with Trojan batteries that were installed 3-5 years ago having had several premature L16 failures. Some of the batteries had one cell fail within 1-2 years. Most of the batteries were well cared for and most were

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-01 Thread Jonathan Hill
From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hill Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:41 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Over 20 years experience with them says you can't go wring

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-01 Thread Jason Lerner
From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of SunHarvest Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:56 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Just got talked into buying Crown (395Ah@20Hr) as my local rep

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-06-29 Thread SunHarvest
Just got talked into buying Crown (395Ah@20Hr) as my local rep, the battery expert, was persuasive in his testimony to their reliability. Should've consulted wrenches first. Should I be worried?? Eric Stikes SunHarvest Solar +1 (530) 798 - 3738

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-06-29 Thread Dave Palumbo
To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Just got talked into buying Crown (395Ah@20Hr) as my local rep, the battery expert, was persuasive in his testimony to their reliability. Should've consulted wrenches first. Should I be worried?? Eric Stikes SunHarvest Solar +1

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-06-29 Thread Jonathan Hill
-wrenches] Battery Experience Just got talked into buying Crown (395Ah@20Hr) as my local rep, the battery expert, was persuasive in his testimony to their reliability. Should've consulted wrenches first. Should I be worried?? Eric Stikes SunHarvest Solar +1 (530) 798 - 3738

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-02-09 Thread Maverick Brown [Maverick Solar]
I vote for absolyte. I have a customer with 22kw of PV (8 MX60s), an 8 stack of Outback FX inverters and a 9600Ah @ 48V Absolyte IIP AGM battery bank. It has been going strong since 2006. Thank you, Maverick Maverick Brown BSEET, NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer ® President CEO

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-02-09 Thread Ken Schaal
Power Systems To: wes kennedy ; RE-wrenches Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Wes, While I don't have experience with the Deka Unigy AGM's, I can tell you that we are experiencing many failures of the 4D, 8D and other 6 and 12

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-02-09 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Crutcher,Starlight Solar Power Systems To: wes kennedy ; RE-wrenches Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Wes, While I don't have experience with the Deka Unigy AGM's, I can tell you that we are experiencing many failures of the 4D, 8D and other

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-02-09 Thread Chris Schaefer
, February 09, 2012 11:05 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Ken, Interesting. Do you know if Deka has more than one manufacturing plant? My Deka representative did respond. Perhaps I could have expressed this better: the response was they are out of warranty

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-02-09 Thread Mark Dickson
: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Chris Schaefer Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:28 AM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Wes, Is there any reason why you are not considering

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-02-09 Thread Marv Dargatz
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Chris Schaefer Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:28 AM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience Wes, Is there any reason why you are not considering Surrette? I see on the list that wrenches are talking

[RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-02-08 Thread wes kennedy
Howdy Gents,   I have a project (high altitude, off grid, 25 kw PV, 9 x SI5048's, multicluster) where I am considering two similar batteries.   The Absolyte GP (GNB 100G17)  vs the Deka Unigy II (AVR95-19).  Both have similar reported Lifecycle curves, 1200-1300 cycles at 80% DOD.   Any field

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-02-08 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Wes, While I don't have experience with the Deka Unigy AGM's, I can tell you that we are experiencing many failures of the 4D, 8D and other 6 and 12 volt Deka AGM batteries. The company will not respond to the problems so we will never sell another Deka or MK (made by Deka) AGM battery.