Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors)

2012-10-03 Thread William Miller
Dan: I am a bit confused by what you say below regarding whim and interpretation. In regards to the 690.64(B) 'conductor' controversy, the controversy is not about what the code says or how AHJs interpret it, the controversy is about why the word conductors is included in the NEC section at

Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors)

2012-10-03 Thread Exeltech
/12, William Miller will...@millersolar.com wrote: From: William Miller will...@millersolar.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors) To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 1:58 AM

Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors)

2012-10-03 Thread jay peltz
I've followed these threads with great interest about code, changes and interpretations. There are 2 connected parts, code and interpretation. While its hard to do much about interpretation, the code part should be more fixable. One of the largest problems as I see it, is the long time

Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors)

2012-10-01 Thread Drake
From 90.4 By special permission, the authority having jurisdiction may waive specific requirements in this Code or permit alternative methods where it is assured that equivalent objectives can be achieved by establishing and maintaining effective safety. At 04:15 PM 9/30/2012, you wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors)

2012-10-01 Thread Mark Frye
Exactly, Another fine example of how the Code works. Anyone out there have the definition of special permission. Any changes have to go back to the NFPA? Really the buck stops at the quasi-judicial authority of the head of the building department. Inspectors are the bearers of that

Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors)

2012-10-01 Thread Drake
Right. The NFPA doesn't have any authority in itself. It is a private corporation. Local municipalities adopt the NEC at their own discretion. At 10:44 AM 10/1/2012, you wrote: Exactly, Another fine example of how the Code works. Anyone out there have the definition of special permission.

Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors)

2012-10-01 Thread Exeltech
: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors) To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 10:00 AM Right. The NFPA doesn't have any authority in itself.  It is a private corporation.  Local municipalities

Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors)

2012-10-01 Thread William Miller
drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors) To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 10:00 AM Right. The NFPA doesn't have any authority in itself

Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors)

2012-10-01 Thread Exeltech
and their governing/supervisory colleagues. Dan --- On Mon, 10/1/12, William Miller will...@millersolar.com wrote: From: William Miller will...@millersolar.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors) To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches

[RE-wrenches] How do we wrenches provide pertinent advice? (was120% rule applying to conductors)

2012-09-30 Thread William Miller
Friends: It is my understanding that local AHJs can implement more stringent code requirements and can interpret ambiguous citations, but they can not waive specific code requirements without special permission. (NEC 90.4). I don't know what is required to obtain special permission, but I do