Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-16 Thread Mick Abraham
Greetings, Mechanix~ My post regarding the proper setpoints for an unattended AGM battery prompted a lively--and enlightening--discussion on the Wrench List. Thanks as always for being the best in the biz. The Wrench List is the bomb! To tie up some loose parts of this thread: ++

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-09 Thread Allan Sindelar
m...@centexbatteries.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's Larry, What do you mean by "deficit charge"? And how would the battery be damaged and the warranty be voided, p

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-09 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
For more clarity, it does not matter the size or voltage of the battery. You still need to achieve 0.5% or less of the rated capacity to consider the battery 100% charged. Larry On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Allan Sindelar wrote: Larry, While I agree with your assessment of Mick's settings, som

[RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-09 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
(I am posting this private response on the board because I believe it may benefit others) Marc suggested that you only charge the battery until the current is lowered to 2.5% to 3% of the rated capacity. Doing so will undercharge the battery, leaving a deficit needed to reach 100% SoC. This le

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-09 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
The End Absorb Amps setting forces the MX controller into the float mode once the Absorb Voltage is reached and sustained for 15 seconds. Here is the text from Pg. 42 of the MX60 manual (emphasis added): (End, -AMP, +AMP) Normally, an Absorb charge cycle is terminated because the battery volta

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-09 Thread Allan Sindelar
Larry, While I agree with your assessment of Mick's settings, some of what you write doesn't make sense to me, and I'd like to better understand. Re: "End Absorb Amps will only look at the controller current, not net battery current. If loads are on,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-08 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Allan, If you were to charge Lifeline AGM batteries (manufactured by Concorde) as described by Marc Kurth, you will damage the battery and void the warranty. You should never consistently deficit charge any lead acid battery. The proper charge method is clearly spelled out in Document No. 6-010

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-08 Thread Allan Sindelar
Mick and Wrenches, I faced a similar question with a new bank just a couple of weeks ago. In my case I asked my distributor, and his response is below. He makes some interesting points, including a very different end amps than the factory's. We have r

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-08 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
No. End Absorb Amps will only look at the controller current, not net battery current. If loads are on, the current may be higher than your setting and the controller will continue with monitoring the ChgT. More importantly, if current drops below your setting and the battery is not 100%, it wil

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-08 Thread mac Lewis
Larry, Would the Absorb End Amps setting act similarly to the IPN chargers from Solar Boost if you set a very long absorb time and had it end absorb stage after it dropped below the desired current level? Thanks On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems wrot

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-08 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Hello Mick, I think your set-points for voltage are fine. The Rebulk is of little importance for an unoccupied property as voltage should be easily maintained. The bad news: In a nut shell you have told the MX charger to stop charging if the PV current drops below 45 amps or 0 to 60 minutes aft

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-07 Thread Kent Osterberg
Mick, The SunExtender technical manual says to charge at 2.385 ± 0.015 volts per cell at 25°C until the charge current drops to 0.5% of the battery capacity. That's 28.6 ±0.2 volts for a 24 volt system and 28.8 volts is the top end of that range. If you are seeing signs that the batteries hav

Re: [RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-07 Thread jay peltz
Hi Mick, While I don't know what SG they are using in those batteries, I'd say the voltage was too high at 28.8. If it was a standard SG then it would be gassing at 28.8 and starting to dry out the batteries. ( do the batteries look concave?) The OBCC FM does a rebulk adjustment setpoint, but

[RE-wrenches] Needed: Outback setpoints that won't ruin AGM's

2012-07-07 Thread Mick Abraham
Greetings, All~ My client's string of SunXtender two volt AGM's won't hold a charge...after only two years! The prior AGM batteries also turned to toast prematurely. There must be a better way, so could we review the Outback charge setpoints? Side note: Delta-v from the highest 2v cell to the low